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Just a note: To call someone divisive is actually a complement when the status quo is threatening to bankrupt the country, give it over to outside influences that our government will not challenge. JMHO
 
Vance Wood said:
Just a note: To call someone divisive is actually a complement when the status quo is threatening to bankrupt the country, give it over to outside influences that our government will not challenge. JMHO
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Dear Vance,
My english is not good enough to understand exactly what you saying.
Can you eloborate?
 
We have politicians who go about, raise money and make promises that they are going to repeal Obamacare, they are going to close and control the borders and build a wall to prevent an ocean of illegal immigrants from entering the country. A couple of politicians who are guilty of this practice are John Kasich, and Ted Cruz. Kasich is in favor of amnesty and open borders, Ted Cruz is in favor of what they call a path to citizenship. Neither one wants to close the border or hinder illegal immigration.

Illegal immigrants do two things. One: If they get to vote they can and will change elections, and change the country. Two: Illegal aliens provide for low wage labor, tantamount to slavery. Neither party is willing to change this. The American People are no longer willing to close their eyes and Donald Trump has put a fire under those who are sick of it all.

The problem I see here is much the same as you just went through in Brussels, our President wants to let millions of refugee in the country from Syria. In the end all of this uncontrollable immigration will at the least change the nature of the culture and at the worst provide path way for terrorists to launch attacks on this country.

The attack on 9/11 was carried out mostly by individuals from Saudi Arabia on student visas. In short these politicians make promises that they have no intention of keeping. The only reason Cruz is talking about the immigration issue is because Trump has hit him over the head with the issue and has beaten him at the poles. Trump's campaign is so contrary to the status quo, that many Mainstream Republicans ( The Big Whig Party Guys) are opposing him. Many that have for years been sucking the life out of the country are looking at having the Tit run dry. There is a lot more to this but this is the fundamental issue. I hope I have made it clear for you.
 
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Thanks Vance for your explanations. I now better understand what you are saying.
I do not want to react immediatly
I give it some thought.
 
This is what bothers me...
I believe Belgium and France has the most Muslims citizens. That makes them the easiest targets, simply because those radicals have so many of there own kind to hide behind. In the longer run those 'mellow' Muslims citizens will also get parliamentarian representation. They might not be radical, but they ALL answer to their own ideologies and beliefs, which is radically (excuse the pun) different to ours. See where this potentially can lead to in the long run......?
 
Yeah that is a good theory Geo, but remember we are dealing with the human race here. I've seen and experienced in my native country South Africa, the disastrous effects when two cultures that are to far apart to even find common ground... :(
 
fredman said:
Yeah that is a good theory Geo, but remember we are dealing with the human race here. I've seen and experienced in my native country South Africa, the disastrous effects when two cultures that are to far apart to even find common ground... :(
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That's a world wide problem and unlikely to be fixed in my life time...or this millennium.
 
Yep a culture is very powerful barrier, but some religions even more so. Nah it can never be solved by wishful thinking, or by being humanely about it. The only way is by being practical !!!
 
You can have problems with multiculturalism where the biggest difference between two dispirit groups of people is language and skin color. Those things can be a problem but they can be over come with time and compromise.

If you have a problem with multiculturalism that is based on one group's fundamental beliefs that if you do not believe as they believe you should die, you have a giant problem. The only difference between a peaceful Muslim and a radical Muslim is motivation. The radical Muslim chooses to believe the scriptures that tell them that all Non-Muslims are infidels and have to convert or die. The jews are descendants from pigs and apes and they should die. The radical and the peaceful all believe the same Scriptures. Scratch a Peaceful Muslim you will get a Radical Muslim. The same belief system drives them both.

The so called peaceful Muslims choose to ignore those scriptures but all of them believe in Sharia law which, according to them, you have to adopt and live your lives according to their law. In Islam there is compromise: You believe what they believe or you die.
 
Vance Wood said:
The so called peaceful Muslims choose to ignore those scriptures
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That is the point I'm trying to make concerning the European countries. There will come a time when those peaceful Muslims will be confronted by the question they are avoiding... they will have to choose between their faith and their Western friends at that time... simple as that for me :)
 
It is not so simple for them. If they decide to choose their Western friends, which is against Sharia law, they too fall under a death sentance. If all of Islam is under Jihad and they refuse to participate the fall under a death sentence. The only way this will ever change is if Islam decides to disavow the scriptures that demand that they practice these beliefs.
 
Geo said:
So Jesus Christ,a revered prophet in the Koran,is,according to Muhammad,a pig or an ape?
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Jesus was a Jew, there fore according to what they believe he was descendant of a pig or an ape. If you think about it that means that they are equating Ala the same way, the son cannot be less than the father.

That is one large conundrum in their faith. You want to find out what they really think of Jesus just try to open a Christian Church in an Islamic country. They believe Jesus was a prophet but believing that throws their entire belief system into a cocked hat. If Jesus was a prophet and Islam honors him as such, and if Jesus claimed he was the Son of God (which he did) then why do they not believe him. Or---was he a liar or was he a mad man. Either Jesus was the Son of God or he was liar or a mad man. Nothing but questions here, none of which they want to address. If Jesus was a Prophet and every thing he said was from God and he said that God was his Father why don't they believe him? And if God was his real Father, which is what Jesus said that got him crucified, then Jesus was more than a prophet he was God in the flesh.
 
Vance Wood said:
Jesus was a Jew, there fore according to what they believe he was descendant of a pig or an ape. If you think about it that means that they are equating Ala the same way, the son cannot be less than the father.

That is one large conundrum in their faith. You want to find out what they really think of Jesus just try to open a Christian Church in an Islamic country. They believe Jesus was a prophet but believing that throws their entire belief system into a cocked hat. If Jesus was a prophet and Islam honors him as such, and if Jesus claimed he was the Son of God (which he did) then why do they not believe him. Or---was he a liar or was he a mad man. Either Jesus was the Son of God or he was liar or a mad man. Nothing but questions here, none of which they want to address. If Jesus was a Prophet and every thing he said was from God and he said that God was his Father why don't they believe him? And if God was his real Father, which is what Jesus said that got him crucified, then Jesus was more than a prophet he was God in the flesh.
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Well religious people will always have an answer. They just need to make it up and it's the new truth. No point trying to argue with that!
 
MichaelS said:
Well religious people will always have an answer. They just need to make it up and it's the new truth. No point trying to argue with that!
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No point arguing with the the subhumans who blow up innocent people into pieces...
That's what you are saying, there...
Like it or not....
 
Minimalising these individuals to calling them names does not really define them or address the real issues, you have to be willing to look at what they believe realistically. In your understanding you begin to find ways to defeat them. The trouble is; in order to do this we would have to become as uncivilized in our response as they are in the war on us.
 
just.wing.it said:
No point arguing with the the subhumans who blow up innocent people into pieces...
That's what you are saying, there...
Like it or not....
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Thank's for telling me what I'm saying but unfortunately I have no idea what you're trying to say.
 
MichaelS said:
I don't see the point you are trying to make.
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That's the problem. I am not trying to be critical of you but to understand you have to educate yourself not just adopt an attitude or a philosophy of love them to death.
 
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