Cascade juniper, need suggestions!

I decided to trim a bunch off this and take the advice of judy and kevster to move the top over a bit and wire some foliage to make it seem the top continues over to the cascade part. I think it looks nice and will grow out some more too.

Front

IMG_8661 by edsnapshot, on Flickr

Back

IMG_8665 by edsnapshot, on Flickr

side

IMG_8662 by edsnapshot, on Flickr

Don't know why I included the side view, kind of pointless I guess.

ed
 
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This little tree has a lot of potential. I think that if you change the angle which it is planted and bend the branch that is now the top a bit and grow it out, it can look like quite a nice cascade...
Please forgive my crap photoshop, but you get the idea...

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Looking good Ed. I too like the side angle as the front, but it may be different in person than looking at a 2d photo...
 
Okay point taken, but what does one call removing about 95% of the foliage that happens to be dead? I used defoliate as it seemd to fit as I was removing foliage, albeit, dead foliage.

ed

I would call that 'cleaning up the mess". Looks like you were the trees only hope and it sounds like you are making a good effort. I would not trim any more at this time, and would just water and feed it for a year or so at least before I worried about trying to shape it any more. It looks like you have done wonders with it for now.
 
It does look nice with the side as a front. I never really thought of that before, but I am not the type to see the Bonsai in the tree too well. I am more the try to make them grow they way I want them type. I guess the real reason I never looked at it like that was as a child the old man who got me interested in Bonsai used to cut branches that pointed out towards the viewing angle or front of the plant. Once I asked him why he did that and he said " pointing at you is rude " , believe it or not ! Its funny how things stick with you.

ed
 
You've done a great job at keeping this tree healthy and prospering; you definitely have the instincts and skill to go places in bonsai.
 
After this and all my other Bonsai freezing rock hard in October I was worried if their growth would be affected. I have been back in the Florida sunshine for a week now and this little juni is putting out new growth. Its actually getting some little cone looking growth I have not seen in the years I have had it, its a brownish orange color and real neat looking, reminds me of the growth I get on my procumbens nana. here it is today 12/19/12


Casjuni by edsnapshot, on Flickr

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Hi Ed,
I could be mistaken, but I think that sometimes junipers will produce these cones in response to stress.. such as drying out too much.

Also, did you see this link I posted in another thread a week ago? This guys tree, in the middle stages of development, looks very similar to yours.

Rob

http://www.bonsai4me.com/AdvTech/ATJuniperStory.htm
 
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Yes it does look like mine. I think its much bigger though, although there was really no size reference to go by.

ed
 
Well I promised to post new pics so here we go, first is the picture of what it looked like after the 70 mph straight line winds blew my bench and all my plants over ! Broke my little pot I made in the process which sucks, and I had no cascade pot on hand so I had to plant it in the pot my old Ficus suffered its demise in. This was back on March 24th.


windjuni by edprocoat, on Flickr

This is what it looks like now with the temp pot which will be replaced this August most likely, it had more room so I just stuck it in and filled around the edges with sand.


cascjuni by edprocoat, on Flickr

Thankfully it seems to be doing good, even the branch where you can see the sealing tape does not seem affected, it had broken nearly off so I used a spot of super glue something that someone here at B-Nut told me about, wish I could credit them with the tip, but luckily I remembered it all, let alone their name, then I wrapped the wound in self sealing tape.

ed
 
Wow that thing has grown a lot!
 
I realize that this might be a unique example of your work but it reminds me of something that I think should be addressed. Most of us, for one reason or another, have learned bonsai by looking at two dimensional examples of bonsai.

It is difficult to get a feeling for a tree's true dimensions form pictures in books or on the internet; consequently most examples of learning are lacking in depth and tend to be lopsided. From this point of view, pictures are vital in the learning curve as long as you use them from all directions. Your pictures do not lie in the positive. Most of the time your pictures will be less than flattering and in this case your photos demonstrates a definite problem you will have to work out as you continue to work on this tree.

From one point of view your design is clearly evident but looking from other directions the design is two dimensional. I don't wish to point this out to humiliate or degrade your efforts but because I have determined some time back that your efforts are worth encouraging and developing. Having been in this position myself I am sensitive to it. Some would say I should have shared this by a PM, but there are a lot of bonsai growers that need to see this message.

At this stage of your development you do not need people commenting on how nice the King's New Clothes are. You do not need to go several more years thinking that this particular problem will resolve itself, the only way this is solved is to recognize the problem and work on the solutions. The key here is that the tree must be balanced 360 degrees even if the design, like a cascade, is more or less lopsided.
 
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Just an update, I trimmed it out to open it up some more. I also took off the lower wire as it had set and wired some of the top to spread it out a bit. I also continued the shari up the trunk.

Front side. Zoom in and check out the brk on the trunk it looks real cool. We will look around it to the left.

bfronjuni by edprocoat, on Flickr

Left side.

lsidejuni by edprocoat, on Flickr

Back side.

bjuni by edprocoat, on Flickr

Right side.

rjuni2 by edprocoat, on Flickr

I wanted to open up the top and show the trunk with the new shari are and some of the branching.

ed
 
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If this was my tree and I had it to the point of development you presently enjoy this is exactly what I would do. Understanding that I have a real personal issue with cascade design and do not see them as clearly in my mind as I would like to, I would immerse myself in every bonsai book, gallery or web site that has pictures of good cascade bonsai (which are few) and try to analyze ever aspect of them I can make myself understand. That my friend is the truth. I have found that the Cascade is the most difficult of styles to pull off well. I am not saying that your tree is bad, the health development is evidence of your great ability to work with a tree. I am just saying that it falls into the same category as most cascade attempts and if I was faced with this result I would not be happy with it----- either. You have done some good things with the tree but I think I know you, and I think you are not happy with it. It's a great start but your stuck?

As I said earlier you need to research the style, you need to get a feel for the style beyond the falling-over-the-side-branch. You need to have a thing for the way the falling branch relates to the base of the tree. You need to have a thing for the way the individual branches relate to the larger branches they emerge from. You need to understand their importance to the rest of the tree and how they relate to each other. That's the strategy, now we have to look at the tactics: How do we get there, and a grasp of what "THERE" is.? What do we do to what, and when. That is the tactical issue, the techniques and styling skills to make "THERE" happen.

For now I believe the best thing you can do is start thinning out some of the foliage and exposing the workings of the inner branches and developing foliage pads. That should keep you busy for the time being, you cannot understand the secondary branches if you do not see them.
 
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Vance, I am actually pretty happy with it as it is. I should have taken a picture from the angle I usually look at it which is a little bit higher as the branching shows off better. The style is like most styles I see in books and online including a few progressions like the one I just found online at a Buffalo Bonsai Society page with an almost identical top section and the cascade off to the left, with the main difference being I want my cascade section curving in or hugging the pot when there one just shoots straight out. I know most here do not like the top section as I have been advised constantly here to remove it, oddly though at least half of the cascade in books or online pics I see have similar such tops. Its coming along just like I envisioned it.

ed
 
Hi Ed. It is certainly improving as time goes on. I would suggest maybe bringing the top down. Doing this will make the tree look older and also make it more of a cascade. Right now, the first part of the tree looks like an informal upright and then it is a cascade. I think one simple change will make for a more balanced and beautiful image. As we discussed in your Bougie thread. Simple changes can make a world of difference.

Here is a side by side virt. You can decide for yourself. :D

Rob
 

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Rob, thanks, that's what I am tying to do as now its just over 4 inches high from the soil line. That's a little taller than what I wanted. The top or leader branch is now coming down to the right side to fill it out a bit so I wired three little branches up to fill in a bit and give me an eventual apex of sorts. I also have kicked around removing the very top and making a jin out of the leader, bending it back to the left in the process. That would look pretty neat too causing it to seem as if the wind had blown the growing top over towards the way the rest of the cascade grows. Then Mr. Wood horrified me with the whole 360 degree thing ..... :D

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