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Shohin
I love these with the red splotches kinds looks like blood splatter. Wish some of these were in the states also.
Azalea Picture Identification Thread
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penumbra
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Now that is the same as my Issho no haru.
Deep Sea Diver
Imperial Masterpiece
That is interesting. It looks like this flower is the dominant purple red variation, while mine is showing the white and purple variation. Wondering if @shinmai ‘s Issho no Haru is also blooming other variations?
Mine is also throwing a six petal flower in the photo but is also showing five petals on other flowers.
This isn’t uncommon for some satsuki.
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Glaucus
Omono
I have two sizable plants of Haru no Sono (same as Issho no Haru, 50+ flowers each, both proper sports). There are basically 4 types of flowers.
1) Solid pale violet 2) pale violet with purple spots, stripes or even sectors 3) dark purple jewel border/fukurin/blotch 4) solid dark purple.
If needed, I can take pictures of each.
It is like the Nuccio system. Pale is #1 and gives pale, stripes, jewel border and solids. Jewel border is #2 and gives jewel border and solids. Solids is #3 and all flowers are identical.
I have a cutting where a dominant branch already is all jewel border #2. I will have to remove that branch, reducing the cutting by maybe 40%.
I don't think my Haru no Sono's throw 6 petals very often, for some reason. But definitely common behavior in satsuki, with Hanatsuzuri managing 10 petals in very rare cases.
A proper Haru no Sono should produce all 4 types of flowers with two shades of colour, so meaning you basically can get 8 different types of flowers, where every flower has an unique pattern as well. This is the jackpot and one of the main reasons why the Japanese grow satsuki.
The sporting is a one way street. You don't get pale violet stripes in dark purple flowers. And therefore, plants with dark purple flowers only will not produce pale flowers.
Unless of course there is a patch with pale flower potential at the base of your plant which isn't producing flowers because there is no branch emerging from it.
And if you grow 1000 - 10 000 plants, your odds of getting back the pale mutation are much better. But for a single plant, the odds are so tiny it basically will never happen.
1) Solid pale violet 2) pale violet with purple spots, stripes or even sectors 3) dark purple jewel border/fukurin/blotch 4) solid dark purple.
If needed, I can take pictures of each.
It is like the Nuccio system. Pale is #1 and gives pale, stripes, jewel border and solids. Jewel border is #2 and gives jewel border and solids. Solids is #3 and all flowers are identical.
I have a cutting where a dominant branch already is all jewel border #2. I will have to remove that branch, reducing the cutting by maybe 40%.
I don't think my Haru no Sono's throw 6 petals very often, for some reason. But definitely common behavior in satsuki, with Hanatsuzuri managing 10 petals in very rare cases.
A proper Haru no Sono should produce all 4 types of flowers with two shades of colour, so meaning you basically can get 8 different types of flowers, where every flower has an unique pattern as well. This is the jackpot and one of the main reasons why the Japanese grow satsuki.
The sporting is a one way street. You don't get pale violet stripes in dark purple flowers. And therefore, plants with dark purple flowers only will not produce pale flowers.
Unless of course there is a patch with pale flower potential at the base of your plant which isn't producing flowers because there is no branch emerging from it.
And if you grow 1000 - 10 000 plants, your odds of getting back the pale mutation are much better. But for a single plant, the odds are so tiny it basically will never happen.
Glaucus
Omono
Revisit of 'Sumika'
The petals of the first flowers were much much narrower. This is what I expected. Follows the rule of 'odd/misshaped flowers open first'.
It does seem I have no pink blotch-less white with yellowish blotch flowers on this one, though.
But this is really really good. I recommend this and Jukokan a lot now.
The petals of the first flowers were much much narrower. This is what I expected. Follows the rule of 'odd/misshaped flowers open first'.
It does seem I have no pink blotch-less white with yellowish blotch flowers on this one, though.
But this is really really good. I recommend this and Jukokan a lot now.
shinmai
Chumono
No, I have two small trees and both are showing entirely the one purple color thus far.
Deep Sea Diver
Imperial Masterpiece
Chitosegawa (Thousand Year River). 1.5-2”
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Glaucus
Omono
'Shikisai'
It is a bit like a supe'd up version of Asuka. Flowers are definitely large. I can definitely see how this can be very very attractive when it is a 60cm tall fully branched out meika bonsai. But I am not completely convinced by its elegance yet. It is certainly distinctive.
I think it will come more into its own on a larger plant with more flowers and more variegation.
It is a bit like a supe'd up version of Asuka. Flowers are definitely large. I can definitely see how this can be very very attractive when it is a 60cm tall fully branched out meika bonsai. But I am not completely convinced by its elegance yet. It is certainly distinctive.
I think it will come more into its own on a larger plant with more flowers and more variegation.
Bob Hunter
Shohin
Utage No Hana
shinmai
Chumono
Kojo no tsuki:
Deep Sea Diver
Imperial Masterpiece
Tensho No Hikari - showing dominant form. Good leaf size and compatible flower size to make a small bonsai.
This particular young plant has a number of branches that didn’t bloom this year, so still hope. Yet if it does show it’s other forms, it will need to be reworked to get the variable flowers on or near the top.
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This particular young plant has a number of branches that didn’t bloom this year, so still hope. Yet if it does show it’s other forms, it will need to be reworked to get the variable flowers on or near the top.
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Deep Sea Diver
Imperial Masterpiece
Mizuno no Kagami. Just a fleck of red on this flower, so it’s possible all forms may appear over tim….. or not. 
Mid size potential
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Mid size potential
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Deep Sea Diver
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Matsunami. This is another ancient heritage cultivar that has stood the test of time. Very flexible, yet slower growing. In recent years in the US somehow this went out of favor. Likely for other cultivars. It has a wide number of interesting cultivars.
Hard to get nowadays.
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Hard to get nowadays.
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I got mine from the same vendor and mine are all purple color too, so far. This is likely due to the propagator's choice in scion wood for cuttings.
Mine is still small, it may develop a branch with white flowers in time. But so far, only purple.
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Glaucus
Omono
If one really cares a lot about finding white or pale flowers on a solid coloured individual, I wonder if it could work to get backbudding all over the plant.
A plant may be a mosaic of tissue with most of the plant made up of patches that would produce purple flowers.
But there could be patches that would produce the pale flowers if a branch were to grow from that patch.
However, if a grower is know to produce mainly, and possibly only, solid purple 'Issho no Haru', this won't work.
It may work if the cutting that has only shown 'bad flowers' does come from a mother plant with the proper flowers.
Another way is to look at pigmentation of leaves as they lose chlorophyll.
I have two new whips that show only 'bad flowers'. I will observe to see if there is any part of the plant that has signs of being able to produce the correct flowers.
'Hanatsuzuri'
Picture from last year. Surprisingly, this azalea is fertile both as a male and a female despite flowers with thick lush petals.
It came from Japan as an unverified whip and the patterning was absolutely very good.
It didn't flower this year. But I will observe if I get the problem of too many white boring flowers on this one.
If so, that suggests that the Japanese do have a special trick to make sure the environment causes more sporting.
The opposite problem of only solid red or purple flowers is white flowers with no, almost no, very little, boring, or all the same types of patterning.
A plant may be a mosaic of tissue with most of the plant made up of patches that would produce purple flowers.
But there could be patches that would produce the pale flowers if a branch were to grow from that patch.
However, if a grower is know to produce mainly, and possibly only, solid purple 'Issho no Haru', this won't work.
It may work if the cutting that has only shown 'bad flowers' does come from a mother plant with the proper flowers.
Another way is to look at pigmentation of leaves as they lose chlorophyll.
I have two new whips that show only 'bad flowers'. I will observe to see if there is any part of the plant that has signs of being able to produce the correct flowers.
'Hanatsuzuri'
Picture from last year. Surprisingly, this azalea is fertile both as a male and a female despite flowers with thick lush petals.
It came from Japan as an unverified whip and the patterning was absolutely very good.
It didn't flower this year. But I will observe if I get the problem of too many white boring flowers on this one.
If so, that suggests that the Japanese do have a special trick to make sure the environment causes more sporting.
The opposite problem of only solid red or purple flowers is white flowers with no, almost no, very little, boring, or all the same types of patterning.
penumbra
Imperial Masterpiece
Well, I am certainly not a purist. I love my Bad Flowers on my Issho no haru.
I have plenty of zoned flowers with primarily white backgrounds on several of my satsuki. They are fascinating, interesting and beautiful, but they are not my favorites.
I have plenty of zoned flowers with primarily white backgrounds on several of my satsuki. They are fascinating, interesting and beautiful, but they are not my favorites.
Bob Hunter
Shohin
Kunpu
Deep Sea Diver
Imperial Masterpiece
This is the interesting part of owning these Satsuki. One may fancy a solid of the flower pattern and have this by pruning carefully…. or not.
The only sure way to revert a red or white dominant is to graft on a couple multi patterned branches of the same cultivar. After this is successfully done the full patterns will be restored. In these these areas around the tree.
As @Glaucus pointed out earlier the Japanese have done this for years. In A The Brocade Pillow, written in 1692. Ito Ihei, illustrates how to graft by veneer and approach grafting to fuse cultivars together.
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The only sure way to revert a red or white dominant is to graft on a couple multi patterned branches of the same cultivar. After this is successfully done the full patterns will be restored. In these these areas around the tree.
As @Glaucus pointed out earlier the Japanese have done this for years. In A The Brocade Pillow, written in 1692. Ito Ihei, illustrates how to graft by veneer and approach grafting to fuse cultivars together.
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Glaucus
Omono
Issho no Haru is a really good variety. 'Bad' Issho no Haru flowers beat a lot of other satsuki out of the water.
Of course, it is also a matter of taste. Especially when flowers get very sophisticated, flashy, elegant, or just too over the top.
It is hard to argue with a simple solid coloured flower. If you don't like that, you don't like azaleas.
That said, if you sell Issho no Haru, and you do your job perfectly, you should sell plants that show the full range of flowers. And/or sell the solid coloured version explicitly stating so. Or sell them as 'unverified' flowers. For sure, it is an extra challenge for the nursery.
Which reminds me that I don't label my own cuttings as 'correct' or 'incorrect' either.... I Should really do so...
Pitoon
Imperial Masterpiece
'Yume'
Good example of three different flowers on the same azalea.
Good example of three different flowers on the same azalea.
