Artisans Cup selections

Do you think a bonsai professional, who aims to elevate the standards of bonsai in the US, would allow a crew of inept movers transport bonsai for his show? I don't think so.
Yeah, but that's a gross over-simplification of the process involved. Even if a truck is packed as securely as possible, there's always the chance of an accident. I know a tree arrived at one of the National Exhibitions (from the west coast) with a broken pot. Plus, this has got to be a stressful event for a tree. You take a tree that has been enjoying optimal conditions - full sun, fresh air, proper watering - and lock it in a dark truck for 3-4 days or more. Then it is displayed in a dark building for 3 days, then it is trucked back across country for another 3-4 days or more. I can certainly understand why some would choose NOT to put their trees through that, no matter how professional the moving crew.
 
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The jin and the wire wrap are amazing.

The Tree can Easily be enjoyed by itself.

I love it.

Sorce
 
I spent the weekend at the Artisan's Cup. It was well attended and very well put together. The lighting was good in person but it appears darker in photos. I remember seeing two shohin displays (not one) with one tree sporting the smallest Trident maple leaves I've ever seen. There were a fair number of deciduous trees at the event despite the final results. The vacuum was a Kirby but the artist was Crust. His Display got an extremely high score from at least one of the Judges (Congrats Crust!). It's my understanding that there will be no book or album of the event but instead an online 5 judge critique of the event (discussing each tree). I believe there might be a fee to see the critiques, as well. Like any other event this one will stir some controversy. I haven't been to enough of these events to compare it to others, but my understanding (from other people who have) is that this one broke the mold.
 
Oh and one of the trees (a vine maple) looked like one of Jason Gamby's old trees (he used to post here...maybe still does).
 
Thanks, that does not seem too much. It's not that cheap but not very expensive.
 
Yes, a Larch and collaborative piece with Nick Lenz.



I submitted a tree, three days before deadline because of an email that was forwarded to me by the president of BSF. Even though the tree were to be displayed on behalf of a public collection, my garden could not afford the price, but I was going to fork out the money myself to have the tree displayed. Because of how time constrained I was, I couldn't submit a full entry form; which required photos of the tree in leaf, defoliated, and the entire composition including stand and accent. The submission's were free, so the worst they could say is no, and they did. I had full trust in Ryan's transportation services. Ryan forked out $420,000 to put this show together, even took a loan out against his house to make this happen. Do you think a bonsai professional, who aims to elevate the standards of bonsai in the US, would allow a crew of inept movers transport bonsai for his show? I don't think so.

Knowing that he himself put up that money, do you think he is counting on making profits from selling photo albums? In fact, I'd be surprised if even after selling 1,000 photo albums at $100 a piece if the man made a profit. So threatening to sue for sharing images is a little asinine.

And also, keep in mind it was a bonsai show in the Northwest US, put together by a Northwestern US resident. Ryan loves US conifers, and it was his show after all. Beside, there were Buttonwood, Jaboticaba, Japanese Maples, Vine Maples, Olive, Beech, Larch and Redwood, all that I can recall seeing photo's of off the top of my head.

The long and the short of it is--the tree is in the back of a truck for two days. driving 3,000 miles. I've worked with professional movers in past jobs that involved shipping sensitive and expensive electronics. We used specialized moving companies with specially-equipped tractor trailers for that equipment--air ride, climate, etc. Even then stuff got busted --REALLY expensive stuff got SMASHED. Not due to mishandling, or miscare, or underinsurance. Bottom line--shit happens and it happens a lot when big bulky things are in motion.

I'd rather have the tree I've worked 20 years on than an insurance check, thanks.

Also lighten up about the photos dude. It's pretty apparent I have no idea what Ryan's motives or non-motives are with photos. There are rumors about not being able to post photos of the event online. That's been the case with JAPANESE shows for decades. No kofu ten photos online, except for Bill Valavanis--who worked out special arrangements. It's not that far of a leap to make...
 
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In addition to the actual transportation across country, the trees are handled and moved around a lot once they get to the show. First to a staging area, then to the display area (and sometimes moved around to find the best spot), then often (at least at the National) to a photography studio and back...lots of chances for things to happen.

I've been involved in that process at the National show, and while everyone is as careful as possible...things can happen. And some of those trees are very large/bulky/heavy and take many hands to move safely.
 
http://www.bonsaiempire.com/blog/artisans-cup-winners

After looking at the winners, the trees were nice, but I really don't see how the winners can call the trees entirely their work. They all were initially styled by some else, according to info in this thread, and recently. Just my opinion, but I think that in order to win a contest of this calibre, the tree should be completely your work.

John
 
John, that would mean, in the case of a yamadori, only those who ho out and collect trees themselves would be elegible.

And the winner of First Place, Randy Knight, is a collector!

Let's think about this for a moment...

Horse racing: the horse has to be trained and ridden by the owner?

Car shows: the car has to be built from scratch by the owner?

Dog shows: the dog has to be trained and groomed by the owner?

Doesn't happen. At least, not in to top levels of these contests.)
 
John, I would recommend reading the "california juniper ready for show" from eric Schrader that derailed on the issue.
So we can keep this thread on track.

Going back to lighting... I've gotta say, that I am going to try to do a display like that at my house XD.
 
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My thoughts...take them or leave them:

1. I was not there so I cannot comment on anything from a live perspective.
2. If Ryan did put up his own money...props to him. I know very few people who have personally invested that much into bonsai...respect.
3. The show was attempting to be something different and it appears that it was. Some will like it, some won't. I humbly think diversity inspires creativity and a new way of looking at things which can only increase the quality of bonsai. Ryan has said from the beginning that it's his desire that American bonsai would become something unto itself entirely...for that to happen, you gotta change things up a bit.
4. This was the first time for this show. Anyone who has tried to pull off something even close to this size knows that you learn things along the way and my guess would be that we will find the next Artisans' Cup more refined. Could we perhaps cut the team a little slack?
5. There are relatively few trees that could be claimed to be "completely your own work". That would mean growing the tree from seed or collecting it yourself. While they definitely exist, many trees have been workshopped, or acquired from others at some point. Very few trees have a single artist's stamp on them. While I'm not necessarily in favor of people buying trees, submitting them in a competition within 6 months, and then winning an award (seems kinda lame to me), it happens everywhere. Very few trees in the Kokufu are owned by those who styled them. I think of it as the tree winning the award and not the owner.
6. My guess would be that (because of cost) a high percentage of the trees submitted were from WA, OR, and CA and therefore a high percentage selected were from these areas. The further away you live, the more cost-prohibitive a submission and trip to Portland becomes.
7. If you don't want to submit a tree because of cost, fear of damage, etc. don't. I don't see that a sufficient reason to call into question the process for doing it.
8. I don't know what the solution to this is but it does seem that, for someone to be involved in this event you gotta have some dough. I would love to see something that is truly accessible to the common man/woman. I know that doing something like this "right" is costly, but perhaps "American Bonsai" in it's purest sense is bonsai that is accessible to more than just those who have $2,000 to drop on a weekend. I'm not talking about socialism but the "American Dream" is "with hard work, anything is possible". There must be a way to make study and observation of high-level bonsai affordable. Perhaps some endowed scholarships for attendance at the Cup or study with high-level artists based on current effort would be appropriate? Once this event becomes financially sustainable, I would love to see some of the proceeds go toward this sort of thing.

All in all, I'm grateful to Ryan and his team's efforts to raise the quality of bonsai in America. While not all may agree with his approach, my humble opinion is that rather than throwing stones, we should either help to improve the event ourselves or try to pull one off in a way that is consistent with our own bonsai values. It's easy to point fingers when you haven't tried to do it yourself. This was a monumental effort and I for one am grateful for it. Was it done perfectly...probably not. Was it a step in the right direction...I think so. Is bonsai in America going to increase in quality as a result of the Artisans' Cup...probably.

Just in case anyone cares what I think...probably not...:):rolleyes:
 
My thoughts...take them or leave them:

1. I was not there so I cannot comment on anything from a live perspective.
2. If Ryan did put up his own money...props to him. I know very few people who have personally invested that much into bonsai...respect.
3. The show was attempting to be something different and it appears that it was. Some will like it, some won't. I humbly think diversity inspires creativity and a new way of looking at things which can only increase the quality of bonsai. Ryan has said from the beginning that it's his desire that American bonsai would become something unto itself entirely...for that to happen, you gotta change things up a bit.
4. This was the first time for this show. Anyone who has tried to pull off something even close to this size knows that you learn things along the way and my guess would be that we will find the next Artisans' Cup more refined. Could we perhaps cut the team a little slack?
5. There are relatively few trees that could be claimed to be "completely your own work". That would mean growing the tree from seed or collecting it yourself. While they definitely exist, many trees have been workshopped, or acquired from others at some point. Very few trees have a single artist's stamp on them. While I'm not necessarily in favor of people buying trees, submitting them in a competition within 6 months, and then winning an award (seems kinda lame to me), it happens everywhere. Very few trees in the Kokufu are owned by those who styled them. I think of it as the tree winning the award and not the owner.
6. My guess would be that (because of cost) a high percentage of the trees submitted were from WA, OR, and CA and therefore a high percentage selected were from these areas. The further away you live, the more cost-prohibitive a submission and trip to Portland becomes.
7. If you don't want to submit a tree because of cost, fear of damage, etc. don't. I don't see that a sufficient reason to call into question the process for doing it.
8. I don't know what the solution to this is but it does seem that, for someone to be involved in this event you gotta have some dough. I would love to see something that is truly accessible to the common man/woman. I know that doing something like this "right" is costly, but perhaps "American Bonsai" in it's purest sense is bonsai that is accessible to more than just those who have $2,000 to drop on a weekend. I'm not talking about socialism but the "American Dream" is "with hard work, anything is possible". There must be a way to make study and observation of high-level bonsai affordable. Perhaps some endowed scholarships for attendance at the Cup or study with high-level artists based on current effort would be appropriate? Once this event becomes financially sustainable, I would love to see some of the proceeds go toward this sort of thing.

All in all, I'm grateful to Ryan and his team's efforts to raise the quality of bonsai in America. While not all may agree with his approach, my humble opinion is that rather than throwing stones, we should either help to improve the event ourselves or try to pull one off in a way that is consistent with our own bonsai values. It's easy to point fingers when you haven't tried to do it yourself. This was a monumental effort and I for one am grateful for it. Was it done perfectly...probably not. Was it a step in the right direction...I think so. Is bonsai in America going to increase in quality as a result of the Artisans' Cup...probably.

Just in case anyone cares what I think...probably not...:):rolleyes:


Well said Dan!
 
My thoughts...take them or leave them:
Just in case anyone cares what I think...probably not...:):rolleyes:
It's a Bird... It's a Plane... It's SuperDan!

Seriously, there are a lot of opinions in this thread. Some of them just make me scratch my head in confusion. I believe Bill Valavanis drove his trees there (from the east coast to the west coast) after just getting out of the hospital. The guy just loves Bonsai that much... The Artisans' Cup or any other event like it shouldn't be about us, it's about the trees and they should be center stage for all to see and admire. If someone has the vision and ability to put on such a thing who are we to second guess and criticize?

Last year there was a thread titled OXYMORON_ American Bonsai. Maybe, just maybe the Artisans' Cup is American Bonsai. You know, controversial, political and opinionated. It's the American way after all :rolleyes:
 
Dan, very thoughtfull assesment.

Me? I'm a coinflip-type....yes-no...yin-yang...
Are we better for this event, or is it a setback?

Responses will vary.....
 
The hubby, a friend, and I went Sunday.... It cost $30 for the show (only two of us wanted to see the show)... $50 gas... $100 for two sit down meals for 3 throughout the day. Vendors area was a public space. I don't think it was a particularly expensive event. If you were there for all of the panels, dinners, and such it would have been a lot like a full registration for a convention.

My feelings on the display...... it was a visual experience that transcended the trees themselves. I didn't expect what I saw... and didn't even participate in the show because I wasn't ready to buy in on the hype. What I got was more than I expected visually. It was art in a museum, and in that context I loved it. Did I get surprised when Ryan and Mike had to make the deciding vote for the winner when it was a tie.... and they chose a close partner? Nope. The guy who specializes in selling the most expensive yamadori in the US won a competition being put on by his partners in his back yard. Why shouldn't he have something ridiculously huge and marvelous. Ryan did the work on it.... so his feelings on how the tree would rate compared to others is also not a surprise.

Ryan might be a young man who is about as clueless as they come when it comes to building community and consensus. He wanted to get all the glory for this, and he will (or won't depending on your feelings), but the kid put his money where his mouth was and mortgaged the house for this show... literally as I understand it. I'll give him props for that. He's committed. Maybe he'll figure out it doesn't have to be painful next time... and that he could have done something this elegant without it threatening his home. But he will have to figure out how to turn down his hubris and play well with others.
 
Dan,

I agree with everything you wrote.

However, a few quibbles and rhetorical questions.

Being overly sensitive to criticism is part of every new effort- it's not a good thing. Not directed at you Dan, just in general.
FWIW, my concerns about shipping were not about the show personnel, procedures, handling or even cost--if ya want to play on that level, you have to pay to do it. Same goes for any kind of organized competition. My concerns in shipping a tree cross country are about simple circumstance that is beyond anyone's control. If the tree were in my truck and I was behind the wheel, I would have had no problem.

Also, can't help but notice along with the Western conifer-heavy line up, more than a few of the trees share collector and stylists. While that may be a simple function of a lot of spectacular material was gathered by a few of the best collectors and handled by knowledgeable stylists, there is a surface appearance that could be a little unsettling.

I have never bought the line that a tree has to be completely developed by one owner to be showable. It's an impossible request, especially with older collected material which has to thank mostly decades of simple exposure for its character and design.

Lastly, if this is about American bonsai, why is the next show in Australia? I may have heard wrong?

These are small questions in the bigger picture, though. Ryan's efforts were groundbreaking and have undoubtedly re-wired what a bonsai show in North America is and can be.
 
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