I did--but just for certain trees--I was just curious.
Reactions to the First Artisans Cup
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Most of the judges had "trees in the competition". Trees they had worked on, trees they had sold, trees their students were developing, trees they knew from places they worked at, trees they had judged before. The judges really knew many of these trees--and their current owners, this is the nature of working in a specific field.
It kind of was--he was pretty transparent about that. He was the locomotive that pulled this train up the mountain--his standards--his dream. I thought it was pretty cool.
Vin
Imperial Masterpiece
I can't imagine much more than let's say 100 people would pay that kind of money. Whereas, if you charged $10 you'd probably get a couple thousand "Members". Someone didn't think that one through...
Vin
Imperial Masterpiece
I'm sure the images would be blocked at that kind of cost.
I see no uncertainty in the pre-judging being done by the two area eminents--the brainchildren of the show. It was what it was. As for the tie breaking, well, that was a stroke of retardation. The out come should have, and could have, been determined mathematically (calculating the scores by including percentages and not rounding) no tie breaking necessary--it was just an oversight.
Ross
Shohin
Ryan Neil has an impressive resume and body of work, but his primary motivation for the Artisans Cup was clearly to promote his business and the business of his close partners. I don't blame him, it is the American Way. This is not a hobby for him, it is his profession and he is heavily invested. The fact that the next Artisans Cup is to be held in Australia is telling. I assume the marketing strategy will be different there, as it may be difficult to transport trees and draw an Aussie crowd to see "the premier exhibition of American Bonsai." It seems (from afar) that Bonsai Mirai is to American Bonsai as Chevrolet is to American Trucks. Both companies arguably make an excellent "American" product, but both must primarily protect the bottom line and grow the business.
quietobserver
Omono
"The Artisans Cup is the premier exhibition of American Bonsai, located in the heart of Portland, Oregon."
But since David Segal et. all write checks......money talks and.... errr
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
Is this for a book to hold in ones hand? Or photos viewed online?
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
Is this common practice to toss out scores...or new to the cup only?
Most shows only have one judge.
I'm sorry, I don't know how the judging is done at the Nationals. That's the only other show I know of with multiple judges.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
brewmeister83
Chumono
Or on a PC...
PrintScreen Key, then paste to photoshop/Gimp/whatever...
Unless Neil has hired ninjas to sneak in and snatch that key from every computer that accesses his site, those photos are up for grabs by anyone with a standard keyboard and some image editing software.
With technology, there's always a way - although I'm not paying a C-Note just to copy and paste a couple tree pics, that's just silly.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
Me neither!
JudyB
Queen of the Nuts
I actually find it hard to believe that with all the entry fees and pay for events, and the cost of getting the trees to the event, (not to mention getting ones self there...) that all of the exhibitors in the event, would not automatically get this "membership" gifted to them. So they can see the photos of their own trees!
I do not think that charging others a fee is so wrong, I mean the books that come out of the National and Japanese events are not free by any means. And this seems like an online version, especially if you get the judging critique along with the pictures.
I do not think that charging others a fee is so wrong, I mean the books that come out of the National and Japanese events are not free by any means. And this seems like an online version, especially if you get the judging critique along with the pictures.
But not with near the same resolution/quality.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
Screenshot. Just noticed it's up to 36 degrees here.
I will pop the 100 bucks--which is high, at least for me. I bet there photo costs were at least $10,000.00 and I bet they will get far more than 100 takers on this.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
I'll be spending my $100.00 on gas to get to work.
I wouldn't spend $1.00 for any picture. But that's me. I have to prioritize.
And why should you have to buy pictures of your own tree? I would think these would be free to all who entered a tree at the show.
You had a tree entered. You paid the entry fees. You traveled. You shipped the tree? Your tree helped to make the show a success. Yet you Crust have to buy the pictures from the Artisans Cup like any Joe Shmoe?
Did Ryan kiss all of the entrants after he was done with them?
I wouldn't spend $1.00 for any picture. But that's me. I have to prioritize.
And why should you have to buy pictures of your own tree? I would think these would be free to all who entered a tree at the show.
You had a tree entered. You paid the entry fees. You traveled. You shipped the tree? Your tree helped to make the show a success. Yet you Crust have to buy the pictures from the Artisans Cup like any Joe Shmoe?
Did Ryan kiss all of the entrants after he was done with them?
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