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Fill it with a putty cut paste completely and form a little convex dome on top
Advice on Broom style creation
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Wood
Chumono
Who's tree is that? Gorgeous tree though it's unconventional. I also wouldn't call it a classic broom style like Adair's broom zelkova. There's enough generations-old brooms in Japan that letting major decay happen seems less than ideal.
I doubt that strategy is ideal for bonsai that are handed down through generations. Are there any 50+ year old deciduous that have major decay to that extent? I'm even struggling to recall landscape deciduous trees that have survived for decades after huge amounts of decay -- I'm sure some are out there, but it's not what comes to mind when I think of ancient old tree. I've heard from several pros who've apprenticed in Japan that deciduous with exposed/rotted out deadwood aren't durable in the long term and are significantly cheaper for that reason
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Yup. In "the west" we still do not have the intergenerational passing on of bonsai culture that is common in Japan, and hence we do not value potential age aspects enough when choosen species and treatment.
Matte91
Shohin
I don't care how the japanese value the trees. I don't like their zelkova brooms made from cuttings. They doesn't look naturlistic at all.
I would every single day rather own the tree in the link or previous picture, instead of a not naturlistic zelkova broom made from seed og cuttings, that you will find thousands of in Japan. My opinion.
I would every single day rather own the tree in the link or previous picture, instead of a not naturlistic zelkova broom made from seed og cuttings, that you will find thousands of in Japan. My opinion.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Whose is it then? Not having come across it, I am keep to know more about the best broom in EU. (According to who, I wonder?)
Does not really matter whether you care.
WHen learning about bonsai it is however good to realize that "naturalistic" is not per se what traditional bonsai is about. It is about an idealized form, and over perfected tree, with aims and ambitions for each style/form.
Traditional brooms with all branches of equal strength are amongst the most valued bonsai out there. I doubt you will find thousands in Japan. It is rare to find good ones that are a few decades old as they require a lot of dedication to retain well balanced.
Matte91
Shohin
It's funny because if you took time to follow my link and translated the text. Then all your questions are answered
leatherback
The Treedeemer
It is funny that two people have now asked you on an English forum who owns the tree that you claim to be the best in Europe, and you answer is that people should go to an external site which is not in English, translate the page and all will be revealed.It's funny because if you took time to follow my link and translated the text. Then all your questions are answered
MMJNICE
Shohin
I'm pretty sure Eric's tree is grown from a seed with a natural shape that was selected from a bunch of seedlings he grew years ago. I have bought a couple of young seedlings selected from Eric's stock that has shapes very similar to the tree u used as the example in the beginning of your post. I would think it would be much more difficult to get a tree like that from a chop. Getting a broom tree from a chop is pretty straight forward. But a tree like Eric's is just Genetic chance but that's my thoughts not definitely facts.
BrightsideB
Omono
Comparing deciduous with decaying wood to one’s without isn’t productive. I love the decaying wood on deciduous. But it has it’s shortcomings on the health of the tree. It’s simply not ideal for that reason. But aesthetically I think it tells a story of perseverance and adds a real naturalistic feel that one without can’t achieve.
Matte91
Shohin
Many people in Europe has the opinion that MN make the best brooms from scratch.
Note that MN has dug up his Elm trees him self more than 30 years ago and worked them as brooms since. For me thats way more inspiring than importing an "finish" zelkova broom from Japan for 10.000 eur/dollars.
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Chumono
Hmm, I'm wondering if these (Eric Schrader's zelkova from the original post or Martin Nielsen's trees) are really "broom" style. Yes, they have a short vertical trunk and a broad canopy, but the branch structure is wildly different and completely lack the artificiality of Adair's zelkova or Ebihara's brooms. Generically calling it a "park tree" seems more appropriate and relevant to the OP's question. Brooms are hard because the artificiality leaves little room for variation or mistakes
BobbyLane
Imperial Masterpiece
Believe it or not, many Zelkova actually do take on a broom like appearance in the wild and no these aren't pollards.
I wouldnt say the bonsai brooms look 'artificial' they can look just like trees too.
This one is up the road from me in South London
Zelkova_(Dulwich_Common)_04-10-07_11 by Bobby Lane, on Flickr
After it was pollarded
Zelkova carpinfolia by Bobby Lane, on Flickr
Tree in first post is definitely more informal upright
Wild Zelkova broom like form
I wouldnt say the bonsai brooms look 'artificial' they can look just like trees too.
This one is up the road from me in South London
Zelkova_(Dulwich_Common)_04-10-07_11 by Bobby Lane, on FlickrAfter it was pollarded
Zelkova carpinfolia by Bobby Lane, on FlickrTree in first post is definitely more informal upright
Wild Zelkova broom like form
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Imperial Masterpiece
Tree in first post is a main trunk thats split into two and then forked again and again. That should give an indication of how to go about creating one. Good starting material would have a main trunk with maybe a thinner branch to cut back to and then another decent sized branch coming off the side of the main trunk. Bearing in mind Cherry might not ramify as well as Zelkova
Oak in similar form
20180517_141509 by Bobby Lane, on Flickr
Oak in similar form
20180517_141509 by Bobby Lane, on Flickr
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Wood
Chumono
I guess my point is that these are not in "the wild" -- they're in a human landscape that doesn't have the same pressures that a truly wild scenario would
raffaelbaer
Mame
I think that way more and more! However I will try, since I dont want to go for the japanese formal broom style definitely, just dont really like the look as much, though I admire them for the great technique one must have. In the end If the broom plan wont work out, I can always cut It lower and make an informal upright i guess
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raffaelbaer
Mame
Actually I saw a bud form right arround the 12cm mark on my tree, so maybe I can start to develop the first side trunk right now. We will see...
raffaelbaer
Mame
I will keep this thread updated, sort of like a progression!
defra
Masterpiece
Ive been growing a hawthorn in the ground for 5 years now from seedling to grow a trunk to create a broom from and recently bought a field grown zelkova with the goal of making a broom also out of the lower part of the tree.
I want to do the hawthorn more like the informal broom style and the zelkova more like the traditional broom style.
Ive been reading trough allot of articles lately and am realy eager to try both of the different methods.
When ill start ill create a thread to document my steps, progression or fails haha
I want to do the hawthorn more like the informal broom style and the zelkova more like the traditional broom style.
Ive been reading trough allot of articles lately and am realy eager to try both of the different methods.
When ill start ill create a thread to document my steps, progression or fails haha
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