Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
Really Beautiful !
Thanks for showing Dirk.
Especially the hand held image.
Good Day
Anthony
Thanks for showing Dirk.
Especially the hand held image.
Good Day
Anthony
Zelcova Nire
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dirk hoorelbeke
Omono
It's always a nice moment to see what's under the soil. For sure when you've tricked the tree to make some roots. The bark sucks up the moisture from the soil, and that way moss keeps growing up the trunk. I clean it with vinegar or 'tree bark cleaner'. Are there better options out there?
AlainK
Imperial Masterpiece
(Diluted) vinegar is a good solution here because the soil and the water are very alkalyne, but a soft brush is OK too.
Tentakelaertje
Omono
Mooi man! Very nice progression and an even sweeter tree. Thanks for the update!
AlainK
Imperial Masterpiece
Kudos on you: that's great work.
I'm impressed, but just a detail, an important detail though : there are no such trees as "Zelkova nire".
Your tree is not a "Zelkova", it's an elm, Ulmus parvifolia.
"Nire" is the transcription of the word in Japanese that means "elm".
The term "Zelkova 'Nire'" was used profusely when the Dutch elm disease was destroying the local elms, so to import elms from abroad, naming them "Zelkova 'Nire'" was a trick. Just as if Britons would keep a market abroad for Ash that are prone to a disease ans they would rename them "Oak 'fraxinus'".
Your tree is not a "Zelkova", it's a beautiful elm.
I'm impressed, but just a detail, an important detail though : there are no such trees as "Zelkova nire".
Your tree is not a "Zelkova", it's an elm, Ulmus parvifolia.
"Nire" is the transcription of the word in Japanese that means "elm".
The term "Zelkova 'Nire'" was used profusely when the Dutch elm disease was destroying the local elms, so to import elms from abroad, naming them "Zelkova 'Nire'" was a trick. Just as if Britons would keep a market abroad for Ash that are prone to a disease ans they would rename them "Oak 'fraxinus'".
Your tree is not a "Zelkova", it's a beautiful elm.
dirk hoorelbeke
Omono
Yes, you are absolutely right. But since this species is known like this i just kept using it. Thanks for pointing out for what reason it was. So from now on i will call it "ulmus parvifolia nire".
Hi Dirk, I've got one Z. nire for three years...outside
for sure. But one thing is quite disappointing. It grows only in spring, one flush of growth, unlike elms. It was repotted this spring, received one size larger pot, watered and fed well...still same. Same experiences or I'm doing something wrong? Otherwise interesting rough bark species. Talking about ID, I'm with you, haven't found anything specified closely. Mine comes from German bonsai nursery that offers all elm species so no way to call it zelkova due to reasons stated above.
for sure. But one thing is quite disappointing. It grows only in spring, one flush of growth, unlike elms. It was repotted this spring, received one size larger pot, watered and fed well...still same. Same experiences or I'm doing something wrong? Otherwise interesting rough bark species. Talking about ID, I'm with you, haven't found anything specified closely. Mine comes from German bonsai nursery that offers all elm species so no way to call it zelkova due to reasons stated above.
dirk hoorelbeke
Omono
They are almost as vigorous as ulmus or zelkova serrata, but in my opinion a bit more prone to growthstop because of watering issues. Don't let them dry out. Removing the outer portion of growth should bring live in the tree after a week. If it is repotted this year, chance is big you are underwatering.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Jeez Dirk...
Sorry to have read that old ignorant comment to you...or 2!
Anyway,
Super glad you stuck around here cuz I really dig your work and you've helped me a lot!
Thanks!
Sorce
Sorry to have read that old ignorant comment to you...or 2!
Anyway,
Super glad you stuck around here cuz I really dig your work and you've helped me a lot!
Thanks!
Sorce
Thank you, I will water it twice a day to see if it helps. It's not showing any other signs of underwatering.
dirk hoorelbeke
Omono
I think the picture you show is not a zelkova nire or ulmus parvifolia nire or... can you show a detail of the bark and the leaves?
dirk hoorelbeke
Omono
The ignorant comments where induced by my way of setting up the thread. There is a connection to a thread from an other user and the discussion if an ulmus parvi. nire could be layered or not. I guess i was so excited that i could show positive results that it came over way more cocky (i hope i spelled that right?) than i intended. That is not the smartest thing to do when you're new on a forum, so the comments were hard but honest and reasonable. Writing in a non-native language does shorten my sentences and some info doesn't swim over the web the way they should.
I came to this forum to gain some knowledge (black pines especially) and i found it. For some other species i have some experience and i know how important it is to give something back, so i can contribute to this nice forum.
I really appreciate you lighting up threads and the thumb-up. Thank you.
LanceMac10
Imperial Masterpiece
Lighting up? @sorce? Oh yeah!!!
@dirk hoorelbeke always seem gracious and non-confrontational. Nice Elm!!
dirk hoorelbeke
Omono
Hm, gracious... never looked myself that way...
dirk hoorelbeke
Omono
I've run outside (slowly and gracious) to take a picture to compare leaf size.
Meanwhile took a picture of the total tree. The tree is reducing in vigor as planned. Need to make sure it doesn't lose interior branches so i must step in and cut back soon.
It's just a ball of foliage now.
After a few years of preparation the rest of this year we can do "conventional" bonsai work. Pinch back new growth. So the interior can regain some light and strength.
Meanwhile took a picture of the total tree. The tree is reducing in vigor as planned. Need to make sure it doesn't lose interior branches so i must step in and cut back soon.
It's just a ball of foliage now.
After a few years of preparation the rest of this year we can do "conventional" bonsai work. Pinch back new growth. So the interior can regain some light and strength.
Giga
Masterpiece
Winner winner chicken dinner here
dirk hoorelbeke
Omono
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner
The legend tells that years ago every casino in Las Vegas had a three-piece chicken dinner with a potato and a veggie for $1.79. A standard bet back then was $2, hence when you won a bet you had enough for a chicken dinner. !”
So, the call of glorious victory rang out “Winner Winner Chicken Dinner
Had to look that one up to understand.
Here are the pictures. It comes from here:
https://bonsaischule.de/en/search.html
The buds were completely black coloured going out of dormancy, if it helps.
thanks for help.hmmm, the leaves on your beautiful tree are quite different.
LanceMac10
Imperial Masterpiece
It's the Internet......the bar is set pretty low!!
You say thanks when it's appropriate, good/not good replies when some one asks opinions without malice and share your trees....
Your a fine ol' chap!!!
Elm could use a little snippy-snip...looks happy!
dirk hoorelbeke
Omono
I was thinking i recognized that leave. It is ulmus minor, and yes they have black dormant buds. They produce nice bark, only one flush most of the time, when vigorous or stimulated they produce a second. When you want branch thickening remove all but the 2 newest leaves on the extending shoots. Leave the weak interior intact. This directs energy toward the end of the branch and new growth will start normally. It is a slow proces. I have one for years, but it is slooow. There is some variation in leaves...
