Working with only a few species

I only have junipers, and I'm OK with that.

I have always planned to focus on one species for the first 7 to 10 years before I introduce another.

I guess I always thought one tree would take at least 10 years before I can really grow it, style it, and start to refine it.

Plus I cannot comprehend how a person can care for 50, 100,150 tree at one time.

A local gentlemen's collection is over 800, and some fine quality shohin specimen! WOW!

I am not that good...Yet.

Simple man
8 - junipers
1- Shimpaku - field grown
1- prostrata - field grown
1- Ashe - collected
1 - itoigawa - field grown
3 - Rocky mountain Juniper - collected
1 - juniper - collected - unknown species

Hope to add more juniper species soon!
 
This post has me thinking of the price tag of bonsai. I don't make nearly enough $$$ to purchase many of the trees that catch my eye. My wife would kill me. I'd have to sleep on my bonsai bench.
I've realized that I won't be able to afford the trees that really attract me. Another way of saying that is I am not sure I want the pressure of caring for a plant with that type of price tag. My favorite trees are all trees I have collected myself, so that is what I like to focus on.
 
I've realized that I won't be able to afford the trees that really attract me. Another way of saying that is I am not sure I want the pressure of caring for a plant with that type of price tag. My favorite trees are all trees I have collected myself, so that is what I like to focus on.
I still have not found the preocess of collection in Chicago yet.

I can admire a person who is ambitious enough to collect trees.
 
Hmm, we grow well over 300 trees [ most from seed and cuttings or collected seedlings ]
Some types are so easy that you can move on after a year to something else.
Eg. Fukien tea or Sageretia t.
Others like J.B.pines require years to figure out.

So we have to boost the number up to test and experiment / experience.

Then we give away.

Every year as a fun thing, we collect 4 to 5 local unknowns and begin the tests.
Found an amazing vining shrub with purple flowers, so seeds were collected and later on an
unusual cow eaten weed. More tests ----------- yummy.

BUY $$$$$$$------------ ha ha ha ha --------- that's for novices ------------I am just being stupid silly :):D:eek::rolleyes:
Good Day
Anthony
 
I only have junipers, and I'm OK with that.

I have always planned to focus on one species for the first 7 to 10 years before I introduce another.

I guess I always thought one tree would take at least 10 years before I can really grow it, style it, and start to refine it.

Ten years to learn one, introduce another and spend ten years developing that. 20 years for two species. Careful, time flies you know. Twenty years from now you might wish you had started a maple or two twenty years ago!

But really raw stock obtained now for the future doesn't always need a lot of knowledge or time right away.

Get a newly collected spruce today and there is a likelihood that the best thing you can do is nothing but water and feed for up to 5 years or so anyways, plenty of time for research and learning.

And the price tag thing too. Time = money. By waiting twenty years to start with a maple you've lost time on both ends. Twenty years of potential development time gone+ twenty years less lifetime ahead. That means starting stock will have to be much more expensive to achieve great result.

Not that I critisize your choice, we all have different circumstance and objectives just some food for thought.
 
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Even if you specialize, there are no rules, so why not have some other species for fun. Also I think it is important to mention, you should not start collecting trees until you can keep that specific species extremely healthy in your yard imho.
 
I'd love to stick with a theme and for me it would be Australian natives, problem with that is geography but nothing that can't be overcome with time.
The other problem is I'm hopeless with restraint, if I see something that interests me then I will pick it up.

I could totally go for all J Maples too, still finding info on keeping them here a bit lacking but I think it might be time to head to the one bonsai place close by that I know has them and ask how they winter theirs.
 
My aim is to eventually specialize in all the the native trees. sycamore is probably one of my favorite trees in nature, but I've never seen one as bonsai, for obvious reasons, although I'm going to eventually have one anyway. same with all the native oaks. I also look at trees that I would like to have in my yard . I have my favorites that I focus on, but I find that when im ruling out species and focusing on searching for certain varieties, I mentally dismiss other species and dont even notice the potential they could offer. I walk the same areas over and over again, and some days I go in with a differnt mindset and I see amazing bonsai potential in things I've walked past 100 times. like honey suckle for instance, or willow, aspen, buckthorne, mulberry, invasive olives.. red cedar, silver maple, boxelder, osage orange, walnut, hickory, sumac, chestnut, paw paw, alder, tilia, ash, vines, black cherry or many unidentified species as well. some of them may never work, and some I've tried already without much luck, but trying differnt things and figuring out something that works could be fun and rewarding if you grow a difficult species. There are always certain styles available to certain species you might not notice until you make yourself aware, and there's always a winter image.. or spring. I have this old grape that makes huge leaves, but in the spring for a few weeks the leaves are super tiny and neat looking, I enjoy it during that time. I enjoy that its healthy. I wont collect a tree just to add a new species or style to my collection, it would have to catch my eye and would have to offer potential in my mind, I may take a young specimen to experiment with for a season before I take a nice one of that variety, but maybe not even. If you do certain things necessary for cultivation, and maybe play it safe at first, there's not too much risk involved. There are so many preconceived notions and guidelines with the cultivation of bonsai, and the shear mystery inherent with trees in general, thinking outside the box, doing things outside the norm when the norm doesn't work and connecting the dots could lead to positive and fulfilling results. A treasure hunt, or journey to find unique, new and compelling art of nature, if you will.

The new age soil mix of basically rocks was new back in the day, I read books from the 80's and it has really opened my eyes to certain things. This guy Dan Barton specifically has caught my interest. the dude talks about getting to a point where he knows a tree so well he gets on a spiritual level with it and communicates and grows them in harmony.. which I find hilarious, yet at the same time I know what he means. Some of the old ways of making soils out of mostly organics is actually intriguing too. Recently I've come to think that going back to the old methods might sometimes be the best, if not the only option in certain cases and species. There are just so many variables out there, think about the symbiotic relationships, humidity, altitude, daylight and physics, chemistry, circadian rhythms... trees are just flat out mysterious. Keeping an open mind, finding new perspective, adapting, identifying subtle cues and learning from mistakes are all necessary in order to understand and decipher what the tree is trying to tell you. One saying that comes to mind I've adapted from another hobby of mine: If you want to grow a tree, you gotta think like a tree, you gotta be a tree. this probably sounds funny or crazy or dumb when you just read that sentence, but its true.

Really though when you think about it, specializing in a certain species is fine, you would do that for your personal interests and tastes, but in reality, growing potted trees is the hobby and skill, different species are not going to require very much variation or burden as far as cultivation. Yes different pruning, watering, substrate, fertilizer, lighting will be required, but this will come to you as common sense after getting familiar with it, and that's half the fun, for me at least. I think that only keeping plants that you care about is the key, it sounds logical, but if you dont care for say, azaleas, then dont grow them. I dont really care for ficus trees, or that stupid show real house wives, but my wife does, I dont understand it, I've given up trying to, and am better off because of it. Like you said, to each their own, do what makes you happy. no ragrets.
 
I'm not really species specific. If I like it and can work out the right deal I get it! I like interesting looking tree's:) For what it's worth though Maples seem to keep going up in numbers around my yard lol.......
 
My aim is to eventually specialize in all the the native trees. sycamore is probably one of my favorite trees in nature, but I've never seen one as bonsai, for obvious reasons, although I'm going to eventually have one anyway. same with all the native oaks. I also look at trees that I would like to have in my yard . I have my favorites that I focus on, but I find that when im ruling out species and focusing on searching for certain varieties, I mentally dismiss other species and dont even notice the potential they could offer. I walk the same areas over and over again, and some days I go in with a differnt mindset and I see amazing bonsai potential in things I've walked past 100 times. like honey suckle for instance, or willow, aspen, buckthorne, mulberry, invasive olives.. red cedar, silver maple, boxelder, osage orange, walnut, hickory, sumac, chestnut, paw paw, alder, tilia, ash, vines, black cherry or many unidentified species as well. some of them may never work, and some I've tried already without much luck, but trying differnt things and figuring out something that works could be fun and rewarding if you grow a difficult species. There are always certain styles available to certain species you might not notice until you make yourself aware, and there's always a winter image.. or spring. I have this old grape that makes huge leaves, but in the spring for a few weeks the leaves are super tiny and neat looking, I enjoy it during that time. I enjoy that its healthy. I wont collect a tree just to add a new species or style to my collection, it would have to catch my eye and would have to offer potential in my mind, I may take a young specimen to experiment with for a season before I take a nice one of that variety, but maybe not even. If you do certain things necessary for cultivation, and maybe play it safe at first, there's not too much risk involved. There are so many preconceived notions and guidelines with the cultivation of bonsai, and the shear mystery inherent with trees in general, thinking outside the box, doing things outside the norm when the norm doesn't work and connecting the dots could lead to positive and fulfilling results. A treasure hunt, or journey to find unique, new and compelling art of nature, if you will.

The new age soil mix of basically rocks was new back in the day, I read books from the 80's and it has really opened my eyes to certain things. This guy Dan Barton specifically has caught my interest. the dude talks about getting to a point where he knows a tree so well he gets on a spiritual level with it and communicates and grows them in harmony.. which I find hilarious, yet at the same time I know what he means. Some of the old ways of making soils out of mostly organics is actually intriguing too. Recently I've come to think that going back to the old methods might sometimes be the best, if not the only option in certain cases and species. There are just so many variables out there, think about the symbiotic relationships, humidity, altitude, daylight and physics, chemistry, circadian rhythms... trees are just flat out mysterious. Keeping an open mind, finding new perspective, adapting, identifying subtle cues and learning from mistakes are all necessary in order to understand and decipher what the tree is trying to tell you. One saying that comes to mind I've adapted from another hobby of mine: If you want to grow a tree, you gotta think like a tree, you gotta be a tree. this probably sounds funny or crazy or dumb when you just read that sentence, but its true.

Really though when you think about it, specializing in a certain species is fine, you would do that for your personal interests and tastes, but in reality, growing potted trees is the hobby and skill, different species are not going to require very much variation or burden as far as cultivation. Yes different pruning, watering, substrate, fertilizer, lighting will be required, but this will come to you as common sense after getting familiar with it, and that's half the fun, for me at least. I think that only keeping plants that you care about is the key, it sounds logical, but if you dont care for say, azaleas, then dont grow them. I dont really care for ficus trees, or that stupid show real house wives, but my wife does, I dont understand it, I've given up trying to, and am better off because of it. Like you said, to each their own, do what makes you happy. no ragrets.
Well said dude!
 
Ten years to learn one, introduce another and spend ten years developing that. 20 years for two species. Careful, time flies you know. Twenty years from now you might wish you had started a maple or two twenty years ago!

But really raw stock obtained now for the future doesn't always need a lot of knowledge or time right away.

Get a newly collected spruce today and there is a likelihood that the best thing you can do is nothing but water and feed for up to 5 years or so anyways, plenty of time for research and learning.

And the price tag thing too. Time = money. By waiting twenty years to start with a maple you've lost time on both ends. Twenty years of potential development time gone+ twenty years less lifetime ahead. That means starting stock will have to be much more expensive to achieve great result.

Not that I critisize your choice, we all have different circumstance and objectives just some food for thought.

I appreciate you taking time out to respond to my post.

To better explain myself, if in a 3 yrs, or 5 yrs, or 10 yrs time frame I can with great proficiency provide horticultural care, wire, water, feed & style my Juniper trees, then at that point I will move on to another species. It is much less about the actual time frame and much more about doing it well.

Time is 100% an investment in any activity, and I have junipers in different stages. Most of my collected material is on track to participate in workshops in 2018 with a Master. After two years all my field grown trees are ready for their first styling.

While not exciting, I have spent the last two years mostly on the basics of soil, fertilizers, wiring branches cut off others trees, and repotting of my field grown trees.

Also, I enjoy the cultivars within the species and the differences between them. Sierra, Shinpaku, Rocky Mountain Juniper, Prostrata, and so many more.

I would love to grow a quality maple, but honestly I would not know one thing about growing that tree at this moment, Proper root flare, taper, cutting back, and all the other details a great grower would know through their years of dedication. At this point it would be a sub par Maple, and I would not want that for the tree or myself. Now in a few more years, maybe I will be ready.

Now the consideration of the next species I am leaning toward are Douglas Firs, or Pinyon Pines (excellent pine). I enjoy these two species!

Thank you for the engaging response, and maybe I will be investing into a maple soon.
 
I dont really care for ficus trees, or that stupid show real house wives, but my wife does, I dont understand it, I've given up trying to, and am better off because of it. Like you said, to each their own, do what makes you happy
HAHA! Thats funny stuff and very true.

I think you are right and a lot of skills and knowledge will really apply to most species but there are a lot of specifics for each as well. I admire the amount of ambition you have to want to try so many different native species. That is an interesting idea and I am sure there are plenty of species out there that would make great bonsai. I hope you find some amazing new species and I can follow in your footsteps :).
 
Hands down learning only a couple or few will get you better faster.


Sorce
Trouble is sorce, most people concentrate too much and too soon on bonsai technique but they don't understand the way a plant grows. This is pretty evident by looking at the various entries you see around the place. Many plants are not well grown, they are not fertilized well, they are not potted well, they are cut wrongly, too soon, too late, too hard, not hard enough, incorrect root management etc etc. All this stuff is essential if you want to continue and the best way to learn it is by growing many different species and observing their responses over an extended time frame. So my point is that you have to become a master in horticulture before you become a master at technique. The horticulture is at least 75% of the deal. Plant seeds...all kinds, take cuttings, layer, graft, learn about soil and why one plant behave differently than the next, blah blah blah. Your thumb should be green before you put it into a pair of bonsai pruners. It may seem strange but being able to grow a cactus and an orchid will help you grow a pine tree!
 
I've started with way too many species to learn and enjoy. but, I am. I may become a specialist if most of them die...
It makes sense to specialize but sounds boring.
 
Trouble is sorce, most people concentrate too much and too soon on bonsai technique but they don't understand the way a plant grows. This is pretty evident by looking at the various entries you see around the place. Many plants are not well grown, they are not fertilized well, they are not potted well, they are cut wrongly, too soon, too late, too hard, not hard enough, incorrect root management etc etc. All this stuff is essential if you want to continue and the best way to learn it is by growing many different species and observing their responses over an extended time frame. So my point is that you have to become a master in horticulture before you become a master at technique. The horticulture is at least 75% of the deal. Plant seeds...all kinds, take cuttings, layer, graft, learn about soil and why one plant behave differently than the next, blah blah blah. Your thumb should be green before you put it into a pair of bonsai pruners. It may seem strange but being able to grow a cactus and an orchid will help you grow a pine tree!
You make a good point, consider specializing after you have "mastered" horticulture. Although horticulture is one of those things that one never stops learning new things every day. Bonsai are plants after all and If you can not grow a proper vegetable garden you will likely not be able to grow healthy bonsai.
 
You make a good point, consider specializing after you have "mastered" horticulture. Although horticulture is one of those things that one never stops learning new things every day. Bonsai are plants after all and If you can not grow a proper vegetable garden you will likely not be able to grow healthy bonsai.
I was talking mainly about container growing. Growing in the ground is a different story!
The other point of course is that growing many kinds keeps your interest up. I don't care how many masterpiece junipers you have, your interest will wane, at least mine would.
 
I'm tempted to elaborate, another book length essay in the back of my mind. @MichaelS - I'm with you, I know what you are getting at.

I have been trying to learn bonsai since 1972, about 45 years, Hallmark does not make a card for this condition. I still consider myself at best intermediate level if one were to judge the quality of tree I turn out. What is the longest I kept a single tree alive? roughly 42 years in my care, then I did something stupid and accidentally killed it. Longest I've kept a JBP alive? 18 years. I'm talking trees in pots, stuff in the ground doesn't count for this conversation. What is the ''oldest in my care" tree today? Only 8 to 10 years. Because I'm a slow learner, I have replaced my collection dozens of times over the last 45 years. Usually one or two trees at a time, not usually all at once. Why? The long term horticultural aspect of understanding your trees really is difficult. Michael S is right about the importance of understanding horticulture. If you can not look at a tree and recognize its state of health, you can not correctly determine whether a bonsai technique you want to apply will hurt the tree, or worse, kill it. This is huge. I always have problems with JBP, supposedly an easy pine to grow. Why? For many years, I mistook weak growth for healthy growth. Until I took a serious look at some JBP in a mentor's collection, did I realize I was not letting my JBP have the necessary episodes of good vigorous growth. I needed to see show quality trees, in their grow out phase, not all groomed and ready for the bonsai show. Now I wait for the big, bushy fox tails of growth before I decide the JBP can be decandled this year. Not looking bushy, I know the tree will only get weaker if I do any or all those wonderful bonsai techniques the books tell you about. Recognizing whether the plant on the bench in front of you is healthy enough to handle your planned bonsai techniques is the aspect of horticulture that really needs serious study. Its taking me a lifetime to get a handle on it, and I am not confident I can accurately do it to this day. I'm still learning.

My collection is as varied and as eclectic as the encyclopedic information in my head that you occasionally get a glimpse of from my ''book length essays'' in different sub forums. Many I have only one of, but I do recognize the value in specializing, as this helps the horticulture. I also play with groups then let them go if I find they don't grow well for me. I have well over 100 sticks in pots. I do have 7 different grafted or cutting grown cultivars of cork bark JBP. I love azaleas, so I have 5 different Satsuki, dabbled with then abandoned Vireya Rhododendrons for bonsai. I found Chaenomeles flowering quinces do well in my conditions, so I have 6 or so varieties, I have a new interest, members of the blueberry family, but they are proving a difficult group to get their horticulture down. I have several species in the blueberry family, and will be getting more, the tropical blueberry relatives seem intriguing for indoor bonsai. I've learned that Japanese maples are not quite hardy enough for my climate, and require close attention in spring, my busiest time of year for non-bonsai activities, so I have abandoned Japanese maple, but have a new appreciation for the resilience of Amur maples. My collection is evolving. Right now my specialty groups are corker JBP, locally native pines, mugo, flowering quince, Satsuki, bamboo, any Diospyros species, especially American persimmon and Ginkgo in another I have multiples of. And my "dabble for fun" group is on the theme of "Eat your Bonsai", edible fruits and nuts. Have seedling batches of Chinquapin - Castanea pumila, and American hazel nut, in 2nd and 3rd growing season stage. Also Ugni, and Eugenia for indoors "eat your bonsai".

I do have too many trees, as a result, I often miss the ideal window of time for applying techniques. This means my trees are not developing as quickly as they could. Hence, my collection looks like the collection of an intermediate level artist. If I have too few trees, I tend to over work the best ones I have. Too many and sticks in pots, and they never get past that stage, they simply get bigger, and look like crap. And as life outside of bonsai changes demands on your time, it is tricky recognizing when its time to cut down, or when it is okay to go for the next "shiny object", interesting tree, or new species you want to ''check out''.

So we all have different motives for growing bonsai. We all have different amounts of time available. We get pleasure out of different aspects of the hobby, some like showing and display, some like the propagation aspect, some never care if anybody ever sees their trees, some like to teach others. I think we each should tailor our collections to give us the most of what we love to do. If you like show and display, you should buy mature trees that can be show ready in a few years or less. If we like teaching, stock in raw and intermediate levels of development should be your focus. I love propagation, I always have seed and seedlings around. Some love the act of collecting from the wild. For many, the horticulture is a meditation practice. For others, watering is a chore to be done as quickly as possible. We are all different.

Have a varied collection until you find the groups that you do well with, understand, and like the look of. Specialize in the groups that inspire you, Try ones and twos of plants outside your specialty, if you like, who knows, you may find your next botanical love. But specializing does have the distinct advantage of being able to focus in and refine both your horticultural prowess, and your bonsai technique. Specialization is good if your mind will allow you to do it. I do focus on a few groups, for long periods, often a decade or two, then I move on to something else.

I do really well with ficus, but ficus do not inspire me, so I have just one big one, and make a few cuttings now and then to share from it. It is okay to not like certain trees.

So that is maybe a third of my thoughts, but you all have lives, and I don't need to kill more time, so I will let my keyboard cool off for a while. (I can type as fast as I talk, the down side is my writing is as long winded as I am in person)
 
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