Winged elm Acquisition

[Hartinez]

Well. Not a ton new to report. It grew just ok this season and mostly threw shoots from one or two spots and that’s it. Otherwise it mostly just grew leaves and did not extend much. All of the branches did thicken a bit, so there’s that. I have to imagine the labored growth was due to the ground layer I am attempting. I think though the tree will be better off for it.

 

[HorseloverFat]

Nice Ulmus, Hart!

I'd definitely go wide next time you take this guy to the cobbler's. (I would) Start getting that base to visually balance at the bottom, the weight of the middle.

I think at it's current angle, your questions about the Apex are apt...

As It sits (displayed to us), now, in my opinion, the apex should "end up" a tad to the left of the trunk, IF you are keeping the "slant"-theme going.

We grew a few accidental windfall Ulmus Alata, this year .. and honestly, yours DO look a touch more like Cedar Elms. (Or should I say a touch LESS like Alata)

What do the leaves feel like when rubbed?

@rockm , how "rough" are cedar elm's leaves... I am just unfamiliar.

I DO know that American Elms and Winged Elm's leaves FEEL different, maybe we can use a similar contrast to nail this identification coffin shut.

 

[rockm]

Nice Ulmus, Hart!

I'd definitely go wide next time you take this guy to the cobbler's. (I would) Start getting that base to visually balance at the bottom, the weight of the middle.

I think at it's current angle, your questions about the Apex are apt...

As It sits (displayed to us), now, in my opinion, the apex should "end up" a tad to the left of the trunk, IF you are keeping the "slant"-theme going.

I've grown a few accidental windfall Ulmus Alata, this year .. and honestly, yours DO look a touch more like Cedar Elms.

What do the leaves feel like when rubbed?

@rockm , how "rough" are cedar elm's leaves... I am just unfamiliar.

I DO know that American Elms and Winged Elm's leaves FEEL different, maybe we can use a similar contrast to nail this identification coffin shut.

Like rough or rougher than a cat's tongue or medium to coarser grain sandpaper. Usually that roughness is "one-way" on the leaf, also like a cat's tongue.

 

[Hartinez]

Nice Ulmus, Hart!

I'd definitely go wide next time you take this guy to the cobbler's. (I would) Start getting that base to visually balance at the bottom, the weight of the middle.

I think at it's current angle, your questions about the Apex are apt...

As It sits (displayed to us), now, in my opinion, the apex should "end up" a tad to the left of the trunk, IF you are keeping the "slant"-theme going.

We grew a few accidental windfall Ulmus Alata, this year .. and honestly, yours DO look a touch more like Cedar Elms. (Or should I say a touch LESS like Alata)

What do the leaves feel like when rubbed?

@rockm , how "rough" are cedar elm's leaves... I am just unfamiliar.

I DO know that American Elms and Winged Elm's leaves FEEL different, maybe we can use a similar contrast to nail this identification coffin shut.

The base is buried basically for ground layering needs. Hoping I get a nice ring of roots to raise to going into this spring. Cant say I rubbed the leaves when they were on. The tree was quite literally nothing great to look at during the growing season so I never snapped any pics. Just watered and fed.

 

[HorseloverFat]

Like rough or rougher than a cat's tongue or medium to coarser grain sandpaper. Usually that roughness is "one-way" on the leaf, also like a cat's tongue.

This is a lot like AMERICAN elm, too...

However, Alata is much smoother,in comparison.

The base is buried basically for ground layering needs.

Great to hear!

 

[rockm]

This is a lot like AMERICAN elm, too...

However, Alata is much smoother,in comparison.


Great to hear!

American elm leaves tend to be very large. Cedar elm leaves are large when they're three inches long. They are generally less than two inches. Much smaller, twiggier dense tree as well.

 

[HorseloverFat]

Yes.. this was just in reference to texture alone. For the comparison of Cedar or Winged.

I believe that OP's elm looks more like a Cedar.

I know that Alata leaves are smooth in comparison to American Elm.

You let me know that Cedar Elm's Texture is rougher, much like what I know of American Elm (American Elm was never in the identity equation as ocular analysis would be enough).

I was just hypothesizing my way to;

"when the leaves come out, rub 'em.

If they're rougher, I'd think Cedar.

Conversely, if they were smoother, one would assume Winged.

 

[Underdog]

My leaves feel the same. Winged elm from the same seller as yours and tx cedar elm from wigerts on the right.

 

[HorseloverFat]

Hehe!

So now, we only know that American Elm has Rougher leaves than those two...AND THAT DOESN'T HELP!

Back to square one!


(My bad, just an idea... That didn't work! )

 

[Underdog]

Here is my American elm. Feels the same too but all are pretty tattered end of the year leaves. All are rough in one direction.

 

[Hartinez]

My tree 100% has the same appearance as @Underdog tree on the left. And the branches look nothing like what his tree on the right shows. Does that mean mine is a winged elm? Don’t know! But all I can do is take the word of the seller.

 

[Doogliebop]

I've been trying to identify some native elms collected on my property for months to no avail. All's I know is my Chinese elm leaves are all smooth and my collected elms are very rough which I believe to be American elm. Also bc the bark and leaf size of a mature tree in the proximity suggest American.

 

[rockm]

I've been trying to identify some native elms collected on my property for months to no avail. All's I know is my Chinese elm leaves are all smooth and my collected elms are very rough which I believe to be American elm. Also bc the bark and leaf size of a mature tree in the proximity suggest American.

You need to post your location (state at least), as that is critical to IDing ANY plant you have...without that info, no one can really help you

 

[Doogliebop]

You need to post your location (state at least), as that is critical to IDing ANY plant you have...without that info, no one can really help you

I thought I had it on my profile but didn't. It's updated now. Im in south east Louisiana 9a

 

[BobbyLane]

Ill throw a spanner in the works, here's a Florida Elm off another forum, I wonder why we dont see more Florida elms with so many Floridians on the forum...

 

[BobbyLane]

This just popped up in my feed @Hartinez @Colorado

 

[Hartinez]

This just popped up in my feed @Hartinez @Colorado

Thanks for sharing Bobby!

 

[Hartinez]

Decent year for this tree. The leaves turn a lovely golden yellow. It’s def not as vigorous as my other elms. Nebari still buried as I’m working on better roots.

 

[Hartinez]

Roots looked ok at repot. The ground layer worked so I separated the bottom from the new roots. I still want more growth at the new nebari location so I re scored the cut in a few areas and buried the whole nebari again. Growing well this year.

 

[Goodbrake]

If you're still looking to ID it, if it is a cedar elm, the flowering will give it away. I believe they're the only native elms to flower in the fall rather than the spring.