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ThanksThere’s an apex to the foliage.
I have a little semicascade JBP similiar to that, and the apex moves to the front. I’ll photograph it tomorrow.
ThanksThere’s an apex to the foliage.
I have a little semicascade JBP similiar to that, and the apex moves to the front. I’ll photograph it tomorrow.
I'll just say this about the whole thing. A tree with a huge forward tilt over a period of many years is because the apex of the canopy requires the most yearly work. It is the area that receives much of the nipping and pruning all thru the year. We are constantly taking forward branches and training them as new leaders, cutting others in the back so the cut is not seen and wiring forward for best view. Just think about that for a minute. If you only work with forward branching and add as little as an eighth of inch of forward movement twice or even possibly three times a year, soon a couple inches of forward movement is added to the apex over four or five years. Leave alone 50 years....come on.
We only see this phenomenon on pine tree styled shapes and with an apex that comes to a point. We don't see it much on full canopied maples or elms or trees with a more rounded top on the canopy.
So Bills tree is wrong, not a good repsentation of your position?The foreshortening effect is subtle. It works best, generally speaking, if the apex is forward of the nebari, yet still behind the edge of the pot. If it juts out beyond the front rim, it becomes an “eye poker”.
Al, this is not a “Japanese” thing. Foreshortening and forced perspective are universal techniques used in many of the visual arts.
Al, this is not a “Japanese” thing. Foreshortening and forced perspective are universal techniques used in many of the visual arts.
Lol!!!
Anthony has a warped perceptive of the goals of bonsai.
Part of his confusion is he wants to apply principles of Chinese Penjing to Japanese Bonsai. Then, THAT’s mixed in with his experience of living in Trinidad where tropical trees grow quickly, but are generally not long lived. All those influences put together makes his perspective rather limiting. And unfortunately, he tends to rely on old books as his source of information. Even while posting here. He tends to disregard the modern techniques that BVF, MarkyScott, and myself share here in favor of stuff that was done 50 years ago.
I have been patiently trying to educate Anthony, yet he seems To have the attitude of “that won’t work here”.
Alas...
Bill’s tree?So Bills tree is wrong, not a good repsentation of your position?
You keep showing trees that support your position. Show me some professional trees that don’t fit your idea that don’t work. Walters tree was perfect in its proportion and front apex without looking stupid. I’m sorry but the side view of your tree is silly looking.
What did you think of my virtual of your tree? Is there a limit? Do you feel you’ve reached it? Be honest for the sake of education, not always being right. Your are right about, in front of the nebari and behind the pot rim is great. That’s not what you keep preaching here though.
Post up some trees, Pots. I haven’t seen any of your trees. I regularly show trees in California, New York, Georgia, and North Carolina. You?Once again the condescending arrogance!
As promised:I have always heard that the apex should be brought back toward the viewer. It’s in the rules. When styling my upright trees I will comply.
When a tree is a cascade or semi cascade- how does the rule apply then?
If there is no apex- does it become the first growth on the branch???
Because there are trees with no apex.
Not my tree- lol
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The color picture is a styled JBP Shohin, designed to sit on top of a Shohin box stand. Sure, it’s freshly styled, and will look better after it has grown in for a year.Am I stupid and blind, or is the 8" tree ugly? If that's an example of great bonsai, I'm going back gardening.
Post up some trees, Pots. I haven’t seen any of your trees. I regularly show trees in California, New York, Georgia, and North Carolina. You?
When I give advice on this site, I usually back it up with an example. Of one of my trees. You?
Distinct clouds of foliage, on a JBP, with space in between... on an 8 inch tree...It should have distinct clouds with space between. I didn't know it was represented as being "young" or new.