US Bonsai in 20 years?

In twenty years...

We will still argue about soils.

We will still argue argue about pinching junipers.

We will still be arguing about what “American bonsai” is or should be.

Someone will still be saying they will be the one who

But...

We will have better bonsai

We will have more nurserymen growing stock specifically for bonsai.

The bonsai community will be larger, but still not “mainstream”.
 
In 20 years, soils will be worked out, the American look will be resolved,
and you will stop copying the mannerised style of the Japanese.
Because Bonsai will be taught to genuine Art students and Design will rule.

No more mannerism --------------- whahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

The great Bonsaists of America have been born and will create..............

Let us be a bit more positive ------- please
Snake Plissken
 
Snake, One of my favorite movies along with Blade Runner and Phantom of the Opera...

On topic, I have noticed a lot of Nursery's and Big Box stores are selling Starter Bonsai, 2", 3" & 4" pots...$10 to $40 ea. both Juniper and Maples, this has become a Trend and shows the Awareness and Growth of Bonsai now and into the future for at least the next 20 years.

This is a good thing IMO...

I see The American Bonsai World evolving into One of showing more of Natures Look in the overall Bonsai as opposed to Un-natural twisting, cutting, distorting, disfiguring that is going on today by a lot of Bonsai Gardeners...

I see only good things for American Bonsai in the next 20+ years...

I live in Michigan and Bonsai Gardening is very big here......
 
Remember a native will often out perform a transplanted
EWP is native to my area, that is the main reason I'm interested in them.
The other main reason I have one on my deck, is because I got it for free! :D
I received it this spring, it had almost no roots and looked like it was recently dug up, most of its native soil was washed out of the pot, I thought it might not make it.
So I went ahead and hosed away the remaining clay that was on the roots, and got it into good soil mix.
It didn't have enough roots to hold itself upright, had to put rocks on the soil to hold it.
It grew well this year, so I will get it into a colander next spring, and continue the root system development.
I'll keep it in a colander until I can put it in the ground, which won't happen until we move!:eek:....looking forward to leaving MD...probably going just north of the Mason Dixon!
Could be a couple years away from moving though...
 
In 20 years all plants will have their images in a holographic database on your new Ipad. You'll need to download the latest bonsai app. though if you want to win the new Kokofu-Ten....which you'll be attending in holographic form of course through your nifty Ipad.

yeah but all of this will be available in 10 years with our niftier Samsung devices. LOL ;):D
 
On club members and age: Bonsai requires stability and education. Young people in this country are forced to be more mobile and to do more with less. They have more in common with those that grew up in the depression years than with most of us. Hard to do horticulture under those circumstance. Even into my thirties, I found I had to trim my collection constantly for one cross-country move or another.

Stability and horticulture education are key. Get kids curious about living, growing things early, and when the collective chaos of young adult life passes, they can blow on the embers and reignite their interests.

Personally, I think legalization of marijuana and the push of "the urban homesteader" have lead to a revival in regional horticultural techniques and a push to explore native species and heirloom varietals.

Though, all that said, if I had a wishlist for the future, a less fragile Hokkaido elm would be nice.
 
"In 20 years all plants will have their images in a holographic database on your new Ipad. You'll need to download the latest bonsai app. though if you want to win the new Kokofu-Ten....which you'll be attending in holographic form of course through your nifty Ipad. "

Guess that means 2 things...no more dead trees, and you can keep them "in" your television instead of on your television:cool:

Actually, I agree with Al...I foresee a trend toward working with native trees, and with those field-grown just for bonsai. My guess is that we'll advance double from 2010-2030 than we did from 1990-2010...go back and look at "old" International Bonsai and BCI magazines...we've made quantum leaps in the last 20 years. Material is bigger and better, and we have easier access to images of the great trees being done in Japan and Europe.

Onward...Upward!!!

But I still wonder where my jetpack and hovercraft are...thought those were coming soon too...
I'm bumping an almost 15 yr old thread for funsies, we have 5 years to go still until we can see what was actually right and wrong. Nice work BVF, I think you were pretty accurate in your predictions regarding advancing more rapidly, people still working with Native trees(this has only increased), Material does seem to be bigger and better.
 
By quoting your post Vance, I am not picking on you but rather pointing out some other views that we run into.

Trees that are collected from the wild are not watered by humans or any type of irrigation, therefore are not dependant on you or I, or creeks, streams, rivers, etc… to keep them alive. The areas that the best trees come from are areas that only see some rain in the summer to keep them alive. Most trees that we collect come from private land with permission (something the govt. can’t take away). There are the cases when we will go onto govt. land and getting permits, etc. is fairly easy. I think that if the Govt. does step in it won’t be in my life time….at least to abolish the removal of materials from the forest. There is benefit for the Govt. to allow some resources to be harvested. This is a regional thing though, and in the West we are pretty lucky.

As for bonsai in the next 20 years….. I typed up a huge reply the other day but hesitated to post it. So I will add this to the discussion~~

I think that in 20 years bonsai as we know it will be off the charts. Right now there are more high quality trees being collected and made available than ever before and some of the younger generation have developed the skill sets to maximize that potential, both in collecting of the trees and in what to do after collecting. We are far better off today in these regards than we were 50, 20, 10 and even 5 years ago.

We are watching the European bonsai scene explode right now and if we are paying attention we are learning from that and we are elevating our passion and our game to strive to be as good if not better than what they are doing. We have the native collected pines and junipers to compete if not beat them, it is true, I see it everyday and am one of many working on that caliber of material. So are others, I assure you and things are happening that are not seen in American bonsai. Give it a few years…..

My opinion is that there are a few key people in American bonsai that will drastically change the face of American bonsai in the 5-10 year time span. The quality of work and material will be elevated to another level and excitement for bonsai will be greater than ever before. I look forward to this and am excited to be a part of it, and know that right now the sky is the limit and we are just at a kicking off point.

Sure there are people who don't post trees on the internet, which is actually probably a smart thing…. And there are people who will always stay with sticks in pots and want to air layer a turd so they have 2 turds :)….that will always be the cas,. (nothing wrong with this at all, not everyone will be a pro ball player even if you play ball on the local men or ladies league) But for every 100 of them there will be a few that do take it to the next level and be the best they can be and acquire great material, study with the best and learn all they can. It is all a matter of how bad you want it. Plain and simple!

In the past 2 months I have learned an amazing amount of techniques, a new thought process and am inspired to be the best I can at everything bonsai….there are no shortcuts, wire is an art form and detail, detail, detail. Importance of soil size, correct wire size, tricks and knowing that you need an Engineering mind set when it comes to aggressive styling and bending. Bonsai in NW Oregon is growing faster than ever and will be put on the map in a huge way in a few years, it will just take a little time…..But keep an eye out over the next few years….Very exciting things are underway like never before!!

20 years looks like an awesome time for bonsai, but I am most excited for now thru the 3, 5, 7 and 10 year mark. If we want 20 years to be killer then we need to make that happen today and it takes ALL of us to accept the challenge and elevate our games. The single biggest thing to elevate passion, your eye and your collection is to be around killer trees. It could be at a public garden, a friend’s collection, a person you met in the club (who you volunteer to help for free) that has a great collection, a nursery with great material, etc….. If you are not around good trees on a regular basis then you will struggle to get to the next level.

Just my thoughts on it :)
Jason did a great job in his predictions
 
In twenty years...

We will still argue about soils.

We will still argue argue about pinching junipers.

We will still be arguing about what “American bonsai” is or should be.

Someone will still be saying they will be the one who figures out how to make Eastern White Pines into good bonsai.

But...

We will have better bonsai

We will have more nurserymen growing stock specifically for bonsai.

The bonsai community will be larger, but still not “mainstream”.

The yamadori trees shown at the Artsan’s Cup will have become more refined, and begin to resemble the old Japanese Junipers.

No one will understand Sorce’s posts.

Yenling’s child will be in college!
Some good predictions here. My kid will actually only be in Jr High haha.
 
Cost of bonsai seem to be more regionally affected. In Southern California I have access to a lot of decent cheaper material. Contrast that to the midwest where good material is not as accessible I saw lower end trees as expensive as the mid-high end stuff here.

The highest quality trees are already greatly out of my financial grasp. I wonder if pros will start shifting to a "higher-end" clientele selling expensive trees? I visited a professional bonsai nursery in Taiwan last year and that's what they do. Typically wealthy clients from China will come over and pay the super high prices.

Also the use of natives in the bonsai scene will undoubtedly grow. If you guys know Dan Turner, he's a student of Ryan Neil and pretty active in the midwest bonsai community, he will be putting together a US natives shohin show in the coming years. I believe it will be the first show of it's kind and will be something worth looking out for in the future.

Another prediction I have that I've discussed with many other people is that the age demographic in bonsai will shift back. Looking at the European bonsai scene many "younger" enthusiasts and pros are slowly taking the reins. I think in the US the same will/is happening over the course of the next 10 years. I've been meeting more younger enthusiasts and they share the same opinion as me. Because of this I believe it is worth my time to at least try to pursue bonsai professionally. There could be a potential market or niche where I can try to sustain an income in. Right now I've been checking with the timing and openings for both foreign and domestic apprenticeships. If it works out I most definitely want to pursue one after I graduate college or soon after.
What ever happen with the Shohin show you were talking about? Cool to hear you talking about wanting to start your apprenticeship and how you're a pro! @justBonsai
 
Ha, this is fun to see this thread revived after 15 years.

To those that have been around since then, I am wondering whether the state of US bonsai has really changed all that much since 2010. Has it changed more, or less, than you would have expected?

I have just been involved in bonsai for about 6 years now, but personally, I don’t predict that it will be drastically different in another 20. Of course the trees that get into the big shows will be more refined and aged. However, I don’t see bonsai evolving at a similar rate as something like AI, for example. For what it’s worth, I view that as a positive. :)

Anyway, just my 2 cents….
 
Ha, this is fun to see this thread revived after 15 years.

To those that have been around since then, I am wondering whether the state of US bonsai has really changed all that much since 2010. Has it changed more, or less, than you would have expected?

I have just been involved in bonsai for about 6 years now, but personally, I don’t predict that it will be drastically different in another 20. Of course the trees that get into the big shows will be more refined and aged. However, I don’t see bonsai evolving at a similar rate as something like AI, for example. For what it’s worth, I view that as a positive. :)

Anyway, just my 2 cents….

I pretty much agree with this. I dont think a lot has changed honestly which I dont think is a bad thing. Not everything has to change
 
To ask the question in a different way
What has changed in the last 20 years would be a more interesting conversation IMO rather than speculating about the next 20
Deadwood carving has gotten a lot more detailed and refined. It used to be this blocky chunk painted stark white.

There are a lot more bonsai potters so the quality of handmade bonsai pots has gone up.

The pandemic forced many clubs to improve their websites. Online content has improved drastically.

More people are embracing native trees finally!

Demos are very different. If you went to a symposium in 2005 the artist would style and repot the tree no matter what time of year it is. Now I don't typically see demo trees repotted as part of the demo.

Increased checkbook bonsai and people paying a professional to style and show prep trees so the 'tree owner' can win awards.
 
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