No way @Mellow Mullet is giving the Pixie Dust away, calling BS on that.
Underdogs Azalea 2020-2025" entry
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Glaucus
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Oh no, not the magic pixie dust!
The retake of that photo has much better lightning. Oh I struggle with lightning and azalea flowers.
This thread is some good evidence you can grow very florious azalea bonsai in zone 6
The retake of that photo has much better lightning. Oh I struggle with lightning and azalea flowers.
This thread is some good evidence you can grow very florious azalea bonsai in zone 6
Mellow Mullet
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Pitoon
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Did the tag on the 'Karen' cultivar mention what group it's in? I wouldn't mind getting some cuttings of that one.
Karens Kurume yes.
The pixi dust is I'm trying Kanuma for the firs time on a few.
I'll send you some.
The pixi dust is I'm trying Kanuma for the firs time on a few.
Pitoon
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Cool, if you can send some towards the end of May they should be hardened off by then. I'll send you some in return.
The first day was sunny and the last was overcast. I agree it looks much better. Phone pics
Deep Sea Diver
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Karen is a Gable hybrid azalea.
For some reason it’s listed as a Kurume, which is merely a brand name given by the Japanese hybridizers after the city Kurume where their work was carried out. … so Karen seems to tossed in this normally Japanese mountain heritage hybrid group merely because it has R. Hinodegiri as one parent. Maybe @Glaucus might shed more light on this catch all designation.
Parents of this hybrid are R. ‘Hinodegiri’ x R. yedoense var. poukhanense. R. ‘Hinodegiri’ parentage is unknown. It was one of the hardiest of Wilson’s 50, as Number 42 ('Red Hussar'), so listed in as a Kurume hybrid. Wilson apparently was fond of changing azalea names from their real names to a made up name he thought would be accepted by Americans, causing endless confusion from then on.
R. yedoense var. poukhanense, the other parent is the Korean azalea, is also very hardy, zone 4-9… not a “Kurume” It is noted for having excellent winter hardiness.
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Deep Sea Diver
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Just because it written down doesn’t mean it’s true 
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Better to trust some stranger on the interwebs... and does it really matter?Just because it written down doesn’t mean it’s true
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Reminds me of the guy half world away looking at a pic telling me my Carpinus coreana Bought from a reputable bonsai dealer is not . sorry not sorry
I appreciate you knowledge and you are why I'm trying Kanuma this year.
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Deep Sea Diver
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No worries and I appreciate that…, just Nursery folks are often in for mass marketing and not into accuracy as long as stuff sells.
Joe Gable from Stewardson, Pennsylvania created some of the hardiest US growing azalea. So credit where credit is due.
One of the most cold-hardy of the dependable Gable Hybrids developed by Mr. Joseph Gable, the Karen Azalea is a broad-leaved evergreen that features bright, pinky-purple blooms.
I just thought it’s cool to l know great azaleas are hybridized in other places besides Japan. Witness our very own @Glaucus ‘s efforts.
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Joe Gable from Stewardson, Pennsylvania created some of the hardiest US growing azalea. So credit where credit is due.
One of the most cold-hardy of the dependable Gable Hybrids developed by Mr. Joseph Gable, the Karen Azalea is a broad-leaved evergreen that features bright, pinky-purple blooms.
I just thought it’s cool to l know great azaleas are hybridized in other places besides Japan. Witness our very own @Glaucus ‘s efforts.
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Mellow Mullet
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OK, so it is commonly known as Karen or Karens (sometimes with an apostrophe), a kurume azalea...
Glaucus
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Whao, that's one luxurious plant label.
Wait, there is actually a 'Karens', a Pedersen and a 'Karen' is the Gable azalea
And there is also a satsuki named 'Karen'.
I always believed it was 'Karens', it was a Gable, and it had the Poukhanense x Hinodegiri parent.
So there Gable 'Karen' is a hose in hose plant? Now I am confused...
Hinodegiri is one of the few kurume-types/obtusum that cane from Japan to the west early and that was hardy in western Europe back in the early 20th century (Kirin was very popular here, but for inside greenhouses).
Hinodegiri is not a true Kurume but more likely a Edo-Kirishima. which are actually older.
Anyway, Karens is one of the few zone 5 hardy evergreen azaleas. I'd still say zone 4 is near-impossible for evergreen azaleas, long term.
We often use 'kurume' as a non-satsuki umbrella term. But it would be more useful to label them after the western hybrid group they are part of. Which is usually a group name of all the new azalea varieties produced by the same person at the same location.
Wait, there is actually a 'Karens', a Pedersen and a 'Karen' is the Gable azalea
And there is also a satsuki named 'Karen'.
I always believed it was 'Karens', it was a Gable, and it had the Poukhanense x Hinodegiri parent.
So there Gable 'Karen' is a hose in hose plant? Now I am confused...
Hinodegiri is one of the few kurume-types/obtusum that cane from Japan to the west early and that was hardy in western Europe back in the early 20th century (Kirin was very popular here, but for inside greenhouses).
Hinodegiri is not a true Kurume but more likely a Edo-Kirishima. which are actually older.
Anyway, Karens is one of the few zone 5 hardy evergreen azaleas. I'd still say zone 4 is near-impossible for evergreen azaleas, long term.
We often use 'kurume' as a non-satsuki umbrella term. But it would be more useful to label them after the western hybrid group they are part of. Which is usually a group name of all the new azalea varieties produced by the same person at the same location.
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@Underdog 's plant is Karens as witnessed by the nursery label. Full stop. Nurseries have an economic and to some extent a legal reason to make a good faith effort to correctly label their products. Doubting a label without having the plant in question in front of you is likely "barking up the wrong tree". So it would be correct to believe that Underdog has 'Karens' a Pederson hybrid, and NOT Karen, a Gable hybrid.
Go with 'Karens' a Pederson hybrid and otherwise just enjoy the beautiful flowers. Kurume is a catch all category that includes many, many different hybrids from different breeders in addition to some Japanese wild collected specimens (cultivars).
Go with 'Karens' a Pederson hybrid and otherwise just enjoy the beautiful flowers. Kurume is a catch all category that includes many, many different hybrids from different breeders in addition to some Japanese wild collected specimens (cultivars).
Deep Sea Diver
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Yep, I missed the ‘s! I concede its a Pedersen hybrid… not a Kurume… The cross was exactly as posted earlier.
https://www.rhododendron.org/descriptionAH_new.asp?ID=87
I sincerely hope Pedersen will forgive me for this miscue!
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https://www.rhododendron.org/descriptionAH_new.asp?ID=87
I sincerely hope Pedersen will forgive me for this miscue!
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