Thinking About Starting a Club

Grant Hamby

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I'm trying to cultivate some interest in the art of bonsai in my area, and I believe starting a club would be a good next step. I already have a little interest among friends.

There is an existing club in town, but it's sort of a joke...

So I'm looking for advice. What are the things you like/dislike about clubs you are a part of or have been a part of? Frequency of meetings? Structure of meetings? Fun events? Lame events? Affiliation to ABS? Don't start one at all?

Any advice helps. Thanks!
 
There is slready a club in the Springfield, MO area according to the ABS web-listing...Ozarks Bonsai Club of Southwest Missouri... www.ozarksbonsai.com

Have you looked into this? If so what is it about this local club that you did/do not like and what is it about this club that appeals to you?
 
There is slready a club in the Springfield, MO area according to the ABS web-listing...Ozarks Bonsai Club of Southwest Missouri... www.ozarksbonsai.com

Have you looked into this? If so what is it about this local club that you did/do not like and what is it about this club that appeals to you?

That's the one I've visited before, just last month. It consisted of about 3-4 people, nobody brought any trees, we just met at a park bench and they talked about how long it's been since they smoked weed. That was the only meeting they had this year.

I'd like to start a club that takes it a little more seriously (not too seriously of course ;)) and hosts demos and mini-shows and such.
 
My brain is a little dim right this moment....however....I seem to recall a thread here where people give input on the subject. Perhaps someone here remembers the thread. Maybe not about starting a club but all about what people liked...or would like to see and hear at a club meeting. What would make it better. I could simply be daydreaming though.
 
If you are willing to do the work of starting a new club why not take over on the existing one. If it is in sorry shape like you say I don't think anyone will stand in your way of trying to improve it.
I actually agree with this, I thought about starting a club as well as my club is extremely newbie oriented. Then I was nominated to be the president next year. That makes me excited as I will be able to decide upon programs, workshops, and meetings. We'll see if the club votes for me, if so I'll be the youngest president the club has ever had.it also takes quite a bit to become a nationally recognized club.

Aaron
 
If you are willing to do the work of starting a new club why not take over on the existing one. If it is in sorry shape like you say I don't think anyone will stand in your way of trying to improve it.

I would love to assume a leadership role, but I believe it would require a hostile takeover, as they don't recognize the sorry shape it's in. I wouldn't be surprised if the club dissolves soon.

What are the downsides of starting a second club?
 
Why not start a study group instead? No committees, politics, cliques, drama, disagreements over how it should be run, or over what activities the club should or should not engage. Pick a house or garage to meet in, bring some trees, tools, tunes, beverages and work on trees. Even if you end up with 6-8 participants, you might be surprised at what you'll learn, and what kind of guest artist workshops you could afford to schedule.
 
Why not start a study group instead? No committees, politics, cliques, drama, disagreements over how it should be run, or over what activities the club should or should not engage. Pick a house or garage to meet in, bring some trees, tools, tunes, beverages and work on trees. Even if you end up with 6-8 participants, you might be surprised at what you'll learn, and what kind of guest artist workshops you could afford to schedule.

This is definitely what I'm going to do! Thanks guys/gals. Since the bonsai scene is lacking here, I wasn't really aware of that kind of thing. That sounds like a blast.
 
Clubs are a ton of work and most of the time very few people volunteer to help run it so it ends up being a never ending monumental task for the few that do.
Definitely a thankless job most of the time.

I agree with the suggestion of a study group. Find some people and get together and discuss and work on trees. That way you get feedback and input and you can all learn together.
An idea is to ask everyone to take turns bringing some topic to discuss, which can help every one learn.
If you're leery of inviting strangers to your own home, you could try inquiring at a local library about using a room there. Im not sure if they charge for that sort of thing or how much but it might be worth a shot?
 
Clubs are a ton of work and most of the time very few people volunteer to help run it so it ends up being a never ending monumental task for the few that do.
Definitely a thankless job most of the time.

I agree with the suggestion of a study group. Find some people and get together and discuss and work on trees. That way you get feedback and input and you can all learn together.
An idea is to ask everyone to take turns bringing some topic to discuss, which can help every one learn.
If you're leery of inviting strangers to your own home, you could try inquiring at a local library about using a room there. Im not sure if they charge for that sort of thing or how much but it might be worth a shot?

Well for now it's mostly just people I know so I'm not too worried about it. That's a good thought for the future though!
 
I actually agree with this, I thought about starting a club as well as my club is extremely newbie oriented. Then I was nominated to be the president next year. That makes me excited as I will be able to decide upon programs, workshops, and meetings. We'll see if the club votes for me, if so I'll be the youngest president the club has ever had.it also takes quite a bit to become a nationally recognized club.

Aaron
Hard part is keeping it balanced and interesting for the entire range of members, newbs thru long-time experienced folks. Everyone needs to grow, share, and have fun.
 
Beat you by 11 mins... study groups are always more interested in the trees than the social aspect.
Winner winner chicken dinner!:p

You're right though, and unfortunately, but assuringly Sandy's experience is consistent with a lot of ours here. I'm rotating off our board next year. I think I've been VP for 5 of the last 6 years, time for someone else to step in. I'll take a turn sitting in the back and complaining about the crappy program and pine for how it used to be back in the day.:cool:
 
Sandy is right - getting a club going and keeping it going is a lot of work. But a good club is great I'm a member of the Milwaukee bonsai society, and it is a very active club, bringing in 2 to 5 guest artists a year, a couple shows a year and all sorts of things. The latest is establishing a permanent public collection. The Lynden Sculpture Garden is hosting the permanent collection, really appropriate, as bonsai is more like sculpture than it is like any other branch of art, and clearly reflects that it is an art rather than simply an aspect of horticultural craft. Most public bonsai collections are paired with botanical gardens or arboretums. The Milwaukee collection will be focused on the fact that bonsai is Art. So clubs are great. But once you start doing a lot of stuff, you need things like 501(c)2 status, and accountant to file the annual statements with IRS and State IRS. Meetings, Board or Executive Committee meetings, liability insurance and all that stuff. The Milwaukee society has around 200 to 200 paying members, but the same 12 people do all the work, the rest show up occasionally and sit back and watch, complain, or occasionally applaud. It does have up side. I'm in year two of my turn on the Executive Committee, fortunately as Secretary, a not too demanding a job. But when the draft for workers comes, they have my number. LOL

For a look at what a "Good" Bonsai Society can look like visit http://www.milwaukeebonsai.org/index.html the newsletter will give you an idea of how active this medium size club in a medium size city can be. It is one of the better clubs out there.

The activity that has really helps me bring my trees up a notch is joining a study group. Or study group is the MKE (Milwaukee chapter) of the Arbor Arts Collective. It is no rules, no dues, just enjoy bonsai. We meet once a month on a Sat or Sun, and rotate between the 5 homes of members that have ''visitor friendly'' back yards. It is a closed study group, by invitation only and we closed it at 12 members. The most that ever made a meeting is 8. We really wanted to limit it to 8 members, but there are a couple fun people we couldn't exclude. We bring trees and work until dinner time, then sometimes we eat together, sometimes we disband to our own homes. Key is no dues, no rules, no "teacher", and we all encourage each other to kick our trees up a notch. Generally, we all wander about over the course of the day and offer comments, advice and tips to each other. Skill level in the group ranges from novice to very advanced (I'm in the intermediate), and everyone is helpful when asked. Usually somebody there on any given meeting has dealt with what ever problem you can think of. It is fun that way. We have done some fun things, like the entire group has an Amelanchier, all bought from a nursery at the same time, same size. We have a Amelanchier day, and bring them in and compare how each has responded to different things we have done. We all also have a Stewartia, and a Cryptomeria. It is fun seeing how different material that roughly looked the same when we started, nice to see the differences after a few years.

http://arborartscollective.blogspot.com/
Arbor Arts Collective is an informal idea, we originally created the website to encourage others to copy the successful format we use. We regularly invite others from all over the world to join the AAC, with the hope they found their own local chapters. Our "Manifesto" is on the website, along with a blog of what some of the members are up to on any given day. Its fun.

Some study groups are organized around a designated "teacher", The Milwaukee Bonsai Society has at least 4 study groups within its membership. One group regularly pools its money and brings Suthin in from the east coast. Another group regularly brings in Ted Matson. These groups are a bit more organized, charge dues and have rules. But a study group can be as informal or as formal as you want. I like the informality of the Arbor Arts Collective, and for things that require organization, the Milwaukee Bonsai Society fits my needs.

The MBS does host "advanced classes" - a three year commitment to taking an all day workshop with one visiting teacher. The year I'm finishing a 3 year, 3 or 4 all day workshops with Peter Tea. MBS picks up a portion of travel and housing, then the class members pitch in to pay Peter's daily instructional fee. It works out well. Usually 4 to 6 share Peter for a day. Best instruction I've ever had, and having the same teacher, coming back and checking on the same trees is really helpful.

So unless you love drawing up by laws, and all the other complications of a formal club, I recommend a study group, and a closed one at that. Only invite people you like working with. And have a good time. 4 to 8 is ideal, The MKE Chapter of AAC has space problems if all 12 members show up at once. Hint - try to get a couple members that know more about bonsai than you do. It will really help your trees.
 
Sandy is right - getting a club going and keeping it going is a lot of work. But a good club is great I'm a member of the Milwaukee bonsai society, and it is a very active club, bringing in 2 to 5 guest artists a year, a couple shows a year and all sorts of things. The latest is establishing a permanent public collection. The Lynden Sculpture Garden is hosting the permanent collection, really appropriate, as bonsai is more like sculpture than it is like any other branch of art, and clearly reflects that it is an art rather than simply an aspect of horticultural craft. Most public bonsai collections are paired with botanical gardens or arboretums. The Milwaukee collection will be focused on the fact that bonsai is Art. So clubs are great. But once you start doing a lot of stuff, you need things like 501(c)2 status, and accountant to file the annual statements with IRS and State IRS. Meetings, Board or Executive Committee meetings, liability insurance and all that stuff. The Milwaukee society has around 200 to 200 paying members, but the same 12 people do all the work, the rest show up occasionally and sit back and watch, complain, or occasionally applaud. It does have up side. I'm in year two of my turn on the Executive Committee, fortunately as Secretary, a not too demanding a job. But when the draft for workers comes, they have my number. LOL

For a look at what a "Good" Bonsai Society can look like visit http://www.milwaukeebonsai.org/index.html the newsletter will give you an idea of how active this medium size club in a medium size city can be. It is one of the better clubs out there.

The activity that has really helps me bring my trees up a notch is joining a study group. Or study group is the MKE (Milwaukee chapter) of the Arbor Arts Collective. It is no rules, no dues, just enjoy bonsai. We meet once a month on a Sat or Sun, and rotate between the 5 homes of members that have ''visitor friendly'' back yards. It is a closed study group, by invitation only and we closed it at 12 members. The most that ever made a meeting is 8. We really wanted to limit it to 8 members, but there are a couple fun people we couldn't exclude. We bring trees and work until dinner time, then sometimes we eat together, sometimes we disband to our own homes. Key is no dues, no rules, no "teacher", and we all encourage each other to kick our trees up a notch. Generally, we all wander about over the course of the day and offer comments, advice and tips to each other. Skill level in the group ranges from novice to very advanced (I'm in the intermediate), and everyone is helpful when asked. Usually somebody there on any given meeting has dealt with what ever problem you can think of. It is fun that way. We have done some fun things, like the entire group has an Amelanchier, all bought from a nursery at the same time, same size. We have a Amelanchier day, and bring them in and compare how each has responded to different things we have done. We all also have a Stewartia, and a Cryptomeria. It is fun seeing how different material that roughly looked the same when we started, nice to see the differences after a few years.

http://arborartscollective.blogspot.com/
Arbor Arts Collective is an informal idea, we originally created the website to encourage others to copy the successful format we use. We regularly invite others from all over the world to join the AAC, with the hope they found their own local chapters. Our "Manifesto" is on the website, along with a blog of what some of the members are up to on any given day. Its fun.

Some study groups are organized around a designated "teacher", The Milwaukee Bonsai Society has at least 4 study groups within its membership. One group regularly pools its money and brings Suthin in from the east coast. Another group regularly brings in Ted Matson. These groups are a bit more organized, charge dues and have rules. But a study group can be as informal or as formal as you want. I like the informality of the Arbor Arts Collective, and for things that require organization, the Milwaukee Bonsai Society fits my needs.

The MBS does host "advanced classes" - a three year commitment to taking an all day workshop with one visiting teacher. The year I'm finishing a 3 year, 3 or 4 all day workshops with Peter Tea. MBS picks up a portion of travel and housing, then the class members pitch in to pay Peter's daily instructional fee. It works out well. Usually 4 to 6 share Peter for a day. Best instruction I've ever had, and having the same teacher, coming back and checking on the same trees is really helpful.

So unless you love drawing up by laws, and all the other complications of a formal club, I recommend a study group, and a closed one at that. Only invite people you like working with. And have a good time. 4 to 8 is ideal, The MKE Chapter of AAC has space problems if all 12 members show up at once. Hint - try to get a couple members that know more about bonsai than you do. It will really help your trees.

Man, thank you for that! Super helpful info.

I've already contacted some people and they're excited to be a part of the study group, so now we just have to get our first meeting going! And since every study group needs a cool name, I think we'll go with Queen City Bonsai or something (Queen City is a common nickname for Springfield, MO).

I'm definitely interested in having a guest teacher someday, since I'm the most advanced member, and that's REALLY not saying much, haha. I know @Stickroot is fairly close by, how's about a day trip, eh?
 
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