I asked if they really are zelkovas and you answered "yes" and then stated that it's ulmus parvifolia. That's where the confusion came from.Isn't that what I said, it is an elm?
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leatherback
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Ah, ok. I was confirming your suspicion that it was something else!
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Thank you, @leatherback. I knew I couldn't just trust the sellers on this one.
leatherback
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never trust commercial sellers. Except for bonsai nurseries!
Kanorin
Omono
These two volunteers showed up in my yard this year. Definitely some type of elm - but what species? I initially thought zelkova, but some of the leaves appear doubly serrated. Wondering if it might be americana or rubra or a hybrid? There's a chinese elm next door and several other large elms about a half block away.
Leo in N E Illinois
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You listed the possibilities. Use a botanical key to identify these elms or any elm within a half mile of your house, as seed spread easily for half mile or more. Identifying elms is tricky, even botanists have trouble. But in Missouri, you do have MOBOT, call them or just put the seedlings in a bag and go there. They should be able to identify them. One of the world's largest herbaria is on Shaw Boulevard. They have real botanists there. Funded by Monsanto.
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Seriously, MOBOT is a valuable resource for you.
Also this website will help.
Also this website will help.
Starfox
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Long shot as could be a hundred different things that look similar but this pod came as a freebie in a crepe myrtle pot and it's not one of those.
Going to soak overnight and plant anyway so probably find out at some point.
Definitely one of the peas, don't think it is an acacia though.
Going to soak overnight and plant anyway so probably find out at some point.
Definitely one of the peas, don't think it is an acacia though.
Shibui
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You are correct about a number of possibilities. My initial thought is redbuds - Cercis. The seeds look a bit shriveled? Maybe it was not ripe when it fell or got knocked off. There is still a chance that they could be viable.
Starfox
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I noticed that too but you never know if you don't try.
Cercis siliquastrum is pretty common around here as it;s native so certainly could be that.
Cercis siliquastrum is pretty common around here as it;s native so certainly could be that.
Forsoothe!
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Not Eastern Redbud, the seeds are too close together and should be shiny.
RJG2
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Some type of Elm? Any idea what type?
cbroad
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Possibly an immature lacebark elm?
RJG2
Omono
I have a couple more mature ones in my yard, and the bark doesn't look like what I'm seeing online. I keep going back to slippery elm (ulmus rubra), but know it's susceptible to DED.
Thanks though!
Edit: the more I read about different elms, the more confused I get. Probably not slippery either.
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Leo in N E Illinois
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Ulmus rubra
RJG2
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That's what I was thinking, but the leaves looked skinnier on my trees than in the comparisons I saw online. I have a couple that were cut down, and seem to remember the heartwood being reddish.
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Width of the leaf is not diagnostic, meaning natural variation is pretty wide. Count the number of diagonal veins in the leaf. I need to look it up but the number of veins distinguishes several of the species. American elm has more veins than the other species. If I stumble across the reference I'll report. Otherwise look for a botanical key. That will have the traits.
HorseloverFat
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So this is my son’s pine... I’ve always thought it to be a Sylvestris.. But was found among many Easterns... I am NOT good with specific conifer ID.. yet. When trying to utilize any “plant identification” programs.. This tree is CONTINUALLY labeled a Poverty Pine.. which I thought was pretty suiting.. buuuuut I do not believe they can exist around my parts...
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How many needles per?
Scots is 2.
HorseloverFat
Squarepants with Conkers
It is 2. Thank you!
