The 2023 Yamadori/Collecting Thread
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Frozentreehugger
Masterpiece
namnhi
Masterpiece
What a big boy that is
Frozentreehugger
Masterpiece
Being a northerner have no idea . What those are like in the landscape . I’m assuming that was a planted landscape . Tree somewhere . How big would something like that be before you cut it back . Is it normal to collect so small a root ball relative to the tree
Wills612
Sapling
This was grown over a patio cover, but had to be removed for fire insurance. (High fire risk area of California). In a landscape the can get seriously out of control. The guy who I collected from cut it back hard 3-4 times a growing season.
I would have liked more roots but it was mostly big tap roots. Hopefully there was enough fine roots to get it started.
19Mateo83
Masterpiece
In my experience with wisteria in the landscape, they are almost invincible. Expect some die back of the wood but there will be some of it that makes it. It has taken me the better part of 8 years to kill a big one in my yard. I’ve tried round up, copper nails, repeated cutting down, and even burning the stump down to the ground. It still pops up in weird spots from random old roots every year. Some part of yours will make it.
Frozentreehugger
Masterpiece
Gr8tfuldad
Chumono
New street sweeper at workThere just styling it. For a more natural deadwood look
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
FWIW, you can probably expect significant die back on the trunk over time. I've collected large to huge wisteria from the wild here. I won't dig another one by collecting it "all at once." The complete removal of major roots can significantly affect the plant, but not really immediately. I'd opt for gradual collection over a couple of years--cutting half the root mass one year, leaving in place and cutting the remainder the following year at collection. Doesn't sound as though you had that option, though.
Big wisteria like this one have a lot of energy in their trunks. They can push new growth with no problem. Don't mistake new growth for recovery though Allow as much growth as possible for the next two to three years. Allow it to run wild no pruning (also its wise to not place the pot directly on the open ground. It will likely escape with growth through the drainage hole. Once it does, you will have wisteria everywhere.
However, the connection between top growth and major roots seems to be significant--remove a big root and the trunk above it can weaken and die off. That process can continue for years, resulting in large dead spots on the trunk.
To help minimize all that, Keep the stump in soggyish soil, regular bonsai soil drains too quickly. Add half potting soil or some other organic ingredient to the bonsai soil you're using. Mimic the conditions wisteria like, cool, rich earth for the roots, full sun for the new growth.
Big wisteria like this one have a lot of energy in their trunks. They can push new growth with no problem. Don't mistake new growth for recovery though Allow as much growth as possible for the next two to three years. Allow it to run wild no pruning (also its wise to not place the pot directly on the open ground. It will likely escape with growth through the drainage hole. Once it does, you will have wisteria everywhere.
However, the connection between top growth and major roots seems to be significant--remove a big root and the trunk above it can weaken and die off. That process can continue for years, resulting in large dead spots on the trunk.
To help minimize all that, Keep the stump in soggyish soil, regular bonsai soil drains too quickly. Add half potting soil or some other organic ingredient to the bonsai soil you're using. Mimic the conditions wisteria like, cool, rich earth for the roots, full sun for the new growth.
19Mateo83
Masterpiece
Damn right. It grew over a mature American cherry tree causing it to up root into my house. That was the last strawTree killer
Wills612
Sapling
Thanks for the info. I had read your past post about collecting wisteria. You are correct in me not having the option to wait.
I will definitely leave it off the ground. I’ve had wisteria get outta control on my property.
While screwing into the trunk, you could definitely feel how wet the wood is I could see how they could sustain quite easily for a while with no roots.
I did pot in 60% potting soil and 40% pumice.
Thanks for your info
Wills612
Sapling
Hope for the best, carve the rest!
Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
The big one shows gorgeous growth after 3 months with up to 16” shoots at the top and 4” long roots below. Yes I checked the roots.
Mtpowell205
Seedling
Japanese maple (?) that I collected yesterday. Sorry I didn’t take any before or during pictures. Can’t decide what to do with the foliage or whether or not to chop it now. Has a place at the top where it’s been cut or broken before so I will remove that before it’s all said and done. Thoughts/suggestions on shape/style?
Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
Good score.
If it were me, I would make sure it recovers from collection then chop it probably to the second set of branches from bottom.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Leave it alone. If you dug this yesterday with foliage that far along, you're dancing on the edge with it already. It's roots need to recover. A chop or defoliation could be enough to shove it over the edge. Normally, maples and most other deciduous trees are collected before foliage emerges. They're topped at the same time. Doing that before leaves come out preserves some of the tree's energy that would be expended on foliage. As it is now, the tree has committed to growing. Most of its resources are in the foliage. Removing it would mean the tree would have to expend energy in growing a second flush of leaves, which would cost it dearly.
Let it grow for at least a year (two or three would better) before doing anything more to it.
Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
Yep. The gators are in the big pond where we dumped the wild pigs we killed.
Can you tell me what the soil components are in this pot? I'm asking because the components look pretty natural compared to all the pumice most of us use with yamadori. I would think the switch from soil these trees are collected in to pure pumice, pumice/lava/pine bark mixes would be a bit shocking but it seems to work.
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TN_Jim
Omono
I was thinking about soil used as well -the mix in images looks pretty water retentive even for a tree in a nursery pot. You may really want to make sure to monitor and move out of rains if needed.
Great looking dig!
Great looking dig!
