Satsuki Azalea "Chinzan" Repot

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I decided to repot one of my azaleas today. It was really root bound and needed it. I got it at Lowes last spring, found it among those awful Encore azaleas that they sell now. It was a pretty good find for Lowes as it was a single plant instead of the usual four or five in the pot. When I got it home I thinned it out, selected the branches, reduced the roots by two-thirds, and put it back into nursery can (cut-down) with bonsai soil. Here is the repot, what do you think?

DSC00439-1.jpg The victim, with a refreshing beverage for scale, I know, I am a cheap-scape. I prefer frugal.....

DSC00440-1.jpg The pot, just a mass produced Chinese model, but it is nice and deep. I think I paid 6.00 for it at the club auction. I did say frugal, right?

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Removed form the nursery pot, the roots had completely filled the pot and even swallowed the large lava that I had put in the bottom to take up space.

DSC00459-1.jpg The roots trimmed and ready for the new pot.

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The finished product. It is a little leggy but I am gonna wait until after it blooms before I trim it back, it is loaded with buds.

Thanks for looking.

John
 
Doesn't this tree have a thread already?

Looking good, what a great find, keep that pellet gun out, this is gonna be fantastic!

Sorce
 
Looks pretty good! Keep in mind it can take a lot out of these guys when they bloom real heavy... It sounds like you said you bought it last year, reduced the roots, repotted then repotted it again this year? It will probably be OK, but that is a lot of root work in a short time... Letting it bloom it's face off this season might weaken the tree... Just a word of caution that is all. I know it is hard Not to let those pretty flowers show off as much as possible, but you might want to shorten the blooming period a bit this season at least.
 
Doesn't this tree have a thread already?

Looking good, what a great find, keep that pellet gun out, this is gonna be fantastic!

Sorce

This is actually a different tree, the other one is bigger and was started from a cutting. I have posted it many times, but now that you mention it, they do have a similar look. Maybe if I get back from the parades (Mardi Gras today) I'll post a side by side picture.

John
 
Looks pretty good! Keep in mind it can take a lot out of these guys when they bloom real heavy... It sounds like you said you bought it last year, reduced the roots, repotted then repotted it again this year? It will probably be OK, but that is a lot of root work in a short time... Letting it bloom it's face off this season might weaken the tree... Just a word of caution that is all. I know it is hard Not to let those pretty flowers show off as much as possible, but you might want to shorten the blooming period a bit this season at least.

Thanks, Eric. I have read a lot about the energy usage and strength sapping from blooming, but has not been my experience. I let mine bloom every year and have not had any problems. I have a shohin size azalea that repot every year and let it bloom too. I do remove the flowers as soon as they start to fade. Just my observation, they might all die this year.;)
 
Probably won't Kill the trees, just a recommendation a lot of people give to increase the vigor of the tree... I tend to let mine bloom most of the time as well, but I do think it is important to remove the blooms as soon as they fade which you said you are doing.

I am a little concerned about azaleas as I lost two small ones this past Summer and they both seemed to decline after blooming... Cannot quite out my finger on what happened!
 
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I am a little concerned about azaleas as I lost two small ones this past Summer and they both seemed to decline after blooming... Cannot quite out my finger on what happened!
I believe (hypothesize) they were already on the down-and-out or the roots were essentially dead. I think the flowers can blossom on water 'stored' in the xylem even if the roots are gone - then new leafs cannot be expressed because of the high tension of the xylem water.
Tweek this logic a tad, it could explain seeming decline after flowering being a consequence of prior root damage/impairment. Dead pines often exhibit something analogous - green needles in the middle of obviously dead branches because of the narrow xylem lumens - still green because of local xylem water. Of course, it wouldn't explain similar behavior of late-season bloomers.
 
WoW that is a nice find. Chinzan are very slow growers. I remove more than half the flowers, thereby can still enjoy their colour and don't pressurize it to much. Remember to remove the spongy swollen bit at the bottom carefully. It seeds from there, and that takes up energy from the plant....
 
In my experience, chinzan is a very fast and vigorous grower, second only to wakaebisu. They grow hard all year, except for a couple of months in the winter. I always remove the ova after bloom.
 
No apology neccessary, I saw you were in New Zealand and thought that maybe it was a location/climate issue for you, I am not familiar with the climate there. I have been interested in a Kazan, maybe I'll pick one up this year.

John
 
Ok, let's start with the potting. That looks like akadama. Is it? Akadama is ok for azalea, but they prefer kanuma. It's more acidic. Use 100% kanuma.

Next, it's potted too high. On a little hill, and the soil is at the very top of the rim. It should be potted so that the soil is level in the pot, and there is about 1/4 inch of inside rim showing. When you look at it with your eye at rim level, you should see nebari, no soil.

Next, letting it bloom...

Blooming DOES take a lot of the energy away. At this point, it is a stick in a pot. Do you want a fatter trunk? If so, don't let it bloom so it will redirect that energy to growth. Maybe keep a half dozen blooms to enjoy some flowers, but don't let it bloom all over.

Next, be sure to seal any cuts you make with cut paste IMMEDIATELY when you make them. Like, within 30 seconds!

And, finally, it needs to be SEVERELY cut back. I mean to where there's hardly any foliage on the tree. Why? Azalea buds back very well when cut back. You want more branches coming off the trunk, with foliage close to the trunk.

Here's a picture of one properly cut back for development. image.jpg
 
Ok, let's start with the potting. That looks like akadama. Is it? Akadama is ok for azalea, but they prefer kanuma. It's more acidic. Use 100% kanuma.

Next, it's potted too high. On a little hill, and the soil is at the very top of the rim. It should be potted so that the soil is level in the pot, and there is about 1/4 inch of inside rim showing. When you look at it with your eye at rim level, you should see nebari, no soil.

Next, letting it bloom...

Blooming DOES take a lot of the energy away. At this point, it is a stick in a pot. Do you want a fatter trunk? If so, don't let it bloom so it will redirect that energy to growth. Maybe keep a half dozen blooms to enjoy some flowers, but don't let it bloom all over.

Next, be sure to seal any cuts you make with cut paste IMMEDIATELY when you make them. Like, within 30 seconds!

And, finally, it needs to be SEVERELY cut back. I mean to where there's hardly any foliage on the tree. Why? Azalea buds back very well when cut back. You want more branches coming off the trunk, with foliage close to the trunk.


OK, thanks for the input. I have been growing azaleas for sometime now, but I am always interested in other's opinions.

It is potted in a mixture pumice, lava, turface (I know *gasp*), and fir bark. They seem to prefer this mixture too, if you take a look at all of the roots in the OP, that is one season's growth. What you see on top is a top-dressing of Turface to hold the moisture until I get some sphagnum moss to put on top, at which point about half an inch of what you see is coming off. I don't waste my money on Akadama or Kanuma, neither is necessary to grow azaleas or any other bonsai in my area. Too much rain, it turns to mush at the end of one summer, so much so that no water will pass through it. When the Turface is removed, the mound will be gone and the soil level will be lower in relation to the rim of the pot.

I have to disagree with you on the energy sapping of blooming. While I am sure that blooming does require energy, cutting the buds off will not make the trunk fatten up any faster. It just won't, I have several in large pots, and even in the ground that are pruned to the extent that there is little or no blooming and the trunks are no thicker that the ones that I let bloom. It just does not matter. The tree does not automatically redirect energy that would be used for blooming to trunk thickening. It has more to do with seasons and temperature. Just what I have observed from years of growing them, heck, I live in a city that goes by the moniker of "The Azalea City". That does not make me an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I know what I have seen. Is there any scientific evidence that backs this up? I think it is just a myth, same as "don't use copper wire on them, it will kill them".

Cutting off the buds might make it put out foliage faster, but azaleas put out so much anyway, so what is the point? Let it bloom, enjoy the flowers. If you are going to cut all the flowers off, might as well get a boxwood, similar look, and a lot less fickle than an azalea.

While it is important to seal the cuts on an azalea, thirty seconds is a bit extreme, as long as you seal them after a pruning session, it will be ok. I usually cut one back, and seal all the wounds when done. Bonsai is supposed to be relaxing, too much pressure with the thirty second rule.

I agree, it does need to be cut back hard, and as I mentioned in the opening post, it will be after it blooms. Isn't it amazing how well they back-bud and grow foliage? In fact, all of the foliage on this one was grown in one season (last spring until now). When I got the tree last year, it was pruned back in a fashion similar to the one in your picture. I regularly prune most of my azaleas back pretty hard each season. Everything that doesn't contribute to the design has to go. If you don't prune, they will just get leggy, with long branches and foilage at the tips, typical azalea growth.

Thanks for the "stick in a pot" critique. I actually plan to keep this one small, once it is pruned after it flowers, the branches will be in more proportion to the trunk, and it actually has a nice flare at the bottom. I do not have the resources to acquire a fifty+ year old satsuki with a fat trunk that came from Japan, besides half the fun is creating your own.

Thanks again,

John

Oh, that is a nice one that you have in the picture, I probably would have trimmed a few more branches, that just me though. What variety is it?
 
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It is an Akane.

Yes, it is freshly imported, right out of quarantine.

The reason I left so many extra branches is insurance. I'll probably only keep about 25 percent of the branches that are on it now.

Typically, you don't cut off a branch you want to remove in one go. Leave about a 1/2 inch stub. This allows the section directly below the branch to reroute it's sap flow. The way it was explained to me is the section if trunk just below the trunk ca die back all the way back to the roots if cut off flush. Wait until the second year to cut ff flush. Don't use concave pruners, use the flat cut root pruners , and leave a bit of a knob. Use a grafting knife to carve clean.


Immediately sealing will allow the cambium to stay active and heal the cut.

Use the sealant "top-Jin" immediately. It takes 24 hours to dry. Then cover with the grey clay like cut paste. Each is equally important. Do two or three cuts, stop and seal. Do two or three more, stop and seal. I don't use a timer, but that's how to do it.

As for all the other info I shared...

I was taught this by people who went to Japan to learn at the source from the people who actually create the fabulous satsuki azalea bonsai we all drool over.

I'm telling you how the professionals in Japan do it.
If you want to keep doing what you're doing, fine with me.
 
Oh, sorry... Here's a picture of my pruned azalea before the pruning:image.jpg
 
Well, there you have it. There seems to be conflicting info coming out of Japan. I have a friend who studied in Japan who said they did not cut the buds on azaleas. So who knows, works for me.

Nice azalea, how tall is it after pruning?
 
I don't cut the buds, just prune before they develop very much.

It's about 5 to 6 inches.
 
John you definitely need to get a Kazan. Their leaves are different from other satzuki. They look more petite to me. They are however VERY slow growing. That is why I got so excited in my confusion. If you can get one as big as the Chinzan you will save yourself a lot of time.
Yes I'm in NZ. From SA originally. The weather from the top to the bottom of the country varies greatly. Cold in the south and hot in the north. I'm in the middle so have some reasonable weather. Zone 8 compared to the USA...
Best of luck
Freddie
 
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