Problems with a branch. Juniperus Virginiana (Eastern Red Cedar)

Why are you taking this so personally? You can be argumentative all you want, but its dropping branches for a reason. That's pretty plain for anyone who's been doing this for more than a few years. That foliage is weak and not getting stronger. The "Rah-Rah Go ERC" is fine as far as it goes, but it isn't going to help your tree much.

Your assumptions about bonsai based on gardening are not as accurate as you think. I don't know if you collected this tree, but that process can take its toll on a tree years after it's been initially dug up.

Reading books is not DOING bonsai. Get your panties in a twist all you want. Your tree has something going on beyond that single branch, whether you have the humility to see it or not.

I base my assumptions on 25 years of doing bonsai and collecting trees. Take it for what it's worth.
THIS BRANCH WAS DAMAGED BY FUCKING ANIMALS!!
How are you not getting that?
The tree is not "dropping branches" nor is it losing foliage. You haven't even SEEN the whole tree, just this one branch I'm asking about. So you're then making assumptions about the rest of the tree because you have 25 yrs experience. So you can diagnose an ENTIRE TREE from a picture of a single branch problem, with just a couple other branches barely shown in the picture? WOW!! That's truly a stunning ability.
Get over yourself.

THIRD person on my ignore list now. I've never had so many people on an ignore list so fast in my entire online history of 25+ years. EDIT: In fact, I don't think I've EVER before had ANYONE on an ignore list after only a month on a forum.
Some bonsai people are not only opinionated, but arrogant apparently. Perhaps I should go try the Internet Bonsai Association rather than this place. Never in my life have I encountered arrogant assholes quite to the degree I've encountered them here. From my very first post up to now. It's rarer for people to actually address my questions than it is for them to give unsolicited opinions about the looks or suitability of my specimen.
 
I've read TONS on the subject in books and watching videos. Been meaning to actually DO bonsai for over a decade, and this year my renewed interest coincided (barely) with the right time of year. So now I've got this juniper and a few little jade plants. I'm also considering air-gapping a couple yard trees.


Usually I don't care but this is just so great haha. You can't have read much more than the daily comics for 10yrs if you -

#1 Don't know you can "get into bonsai" at any time of year.
#2 Think your pathetic ERC and jade trimming are bonsai or ever will be.
#3 What the hell is air gapping haha - I'm pretty sure in the last decade 'air-layering' has been used prevalently
#4 Being such a crybaby is pretty much a death sentence in this hobby.

As Ant says - Good Day
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
 
Wow. Is this guy being serious? First of all why post a picture of a tree (or branch I guess) that your asking for "technical" support with and only send a single branch and some dead foliage? Dude. People were only offering their "opinions" to try to make you under stand the dead branch isnt your only issue. The whole damn specimen is! Chill man.
 
THIRD person on my ignore list now. I've never had so many people on an ignore list so fast in my entire online history of 25+ years. EDIT: In fact, I don't think I've EVER before had ANYONE on an ignore list after only a month on a forum.
Some bonsai people are not only opinionated, but arrogant apparently. Perhaps I should go try the Internet Bonsai Association rather than this place. Never in my life have I encountered arrogant assholes quite to the degree I've encountered them here. From my very first post up to now. It's rarer for people to actually address my questions than it is for them to give unsolicited opinions about the looks or suitability of my specimen.

Oh, oh! Add me too! Please! I'd like to be the 4th.

I've pretty much seen enough to know you'll be going on my list!

Have a good day :)
 
Oh coh you are totally on that list o_O and I'm sure me and everyone else that tried to "attack" him are lol. It's all choppys fault ! Dang choppy. Whyd you do this to that poor guy? All he wanted was his branch fixed
 
THIRD person on my ignore list now. I've never had so many people on an ignore list so fast in my entire online history of 25+ years. EDIT: In fact, I don't think I've EVER before had ANYONE on an ignore list after only a month on a forum.
Some bonsai people are not only opinionated, but arrogant apparently. Perhaps I should go try the Internet Bonsai Association rather than this place. Never in my life have I encountered arrogant assholes quite to the degree I've encountered them here. From my very first post up to now. It's rarer for people to actually address my questions than it is for them to give unsolicited opinions about the looks or suitability of my specimen.

Weird... as a newcomer to bonsai, I was surprised to find out that, despite all the drama going on in this forum, most people (including veterans on this forum) were all super helpful when I (or others) asked questions, as long as a genuine interest to learn from more knowledgeable people was shown...
 
Silvertab your spot on. Dude some of these guys on here have a wealth of experience and knowledge to share. Some just don't "sugarcoat" it I guess and I guess tHts too much for some. I know that since I joined here I've totally transformed my whole thought process on bonsai. I've found more help (even in person) than I did when I was "reading books and watching YouTube " lol. It sucks that OP cant take CONSTRUCTIVE criticism but I know I sure did. When I've posted something obvious I got told. And even getting a little tongue lashing still helped.
 
Wow. Is this guy being serious? First of all why post a picture of a tree (or branch I guess) that your asking for "technical" support with and only send a single branch and some dead foliage? Dude. People were only offering their "opinions" to try to make you under stand the dead branch isnt your only issue. The whole damn specimen is! Chill man.

And people know the "whole damn specimen" is a problem how, exactly? I didn't provide enough info for such determinations.
I posted only ONE branch because that branch alone was (and remains) the ONLY PROBLEM. The damage is CLEARLY caused by a source external to the tree itself. The damage has NOTHING to do with the rest of the tree.
I liked this branch, and was hoping there was some way to save it. I wanted to know if this was recoverable. It is not. I got my info, as well as an explanation as to why. That was helpful and informative. I will remove that branch and CONTINUE to not mess with the rest of them. The explanation as to why trying to wire for support only was helpful and I now understand why to not do that.
People saying, "Oh, ERC isn't any good for bonsai" or "That tree doesn't look very nice and has no character" (comment from a different thread) aren't addressing my question at all. They are merely expressing an unwanted opinion, which has NOTHING to do with my post. Nothing. Not even REMOTELY helpful. That's just people's ego talking.
Not interested in that. Opinions are like assholes yadda yadda.
PARTICULARLY considering all the contradictory info re: bonsai that is all over the place.
When I ask a technical question, I am ONLY interested in things directly relevant to that question.
It's like asking on a bike forum ... say .... "I'm having a problem with my cogset, what can I do to fix it." and people say, "Dude, that wheel sucks. Throw it out and get a new wheel. I've been a biker for over 20 years, and I've never liked those wheels."
Asinine, egotistical, highly opinionated, and not helpful. If you can't see how that is, you're blinded most likely by ego.

I re-iterate: THE TREE IS FINE!!
I haven't provided enough information for ANYONE to make any further determination about the health of the rest of the tree.
This ONE branch is broken at the base. This is not due to "tree health issues," this is due to (most likely) an animal; or possibly weather (strong t-storm winds). As I mentioned, I have seen signs of digging in the soil on a couple occasions. Animals. That has NOTHING TO DO with the tree's overall health. It is, in fact, rather happy.
I may be new to bonsai, but I AM NOT new to plants.
I know when a plant is healthy. I know how to identify goddamned bad roots, ESPECIALLY root rot. I frankly found that comment insulting. The roots on this tree are healthy, and have firmed up A LOT since I first put the tree in a pot. Like I said, I would NOT have collected this tree if it had had poor root structure.
Right now, I'm ONLY letting it grow. Misting it frequently. I'm not messing with the tree AT ALL.
I'm adding decoration to the pot, just moss and rocks right now. That's it. I might sculpt a clay figurine to add to it. Something to provide scale.

ADMINS: Feel free to close and lock this thread. My question is answered, and the rest of this conversation is going nowhere, clearly.

... hopefully someone responds to my Jade question without inserting such opinions. LOL
 
Please keeps us apprised of your progress. I'm really interested to see how your eastern red cedar does.
 
And people know the "whole damn specimen" is a problem how, exactly? I didn't provide enough info for such determinations.
I posted only ONE branch because that branch alone was (and remains) the ONLY PROBLEM. The damage is CLEARLY caused by a source external to the tree itself. The damage has NOTHING to do with the rest of the tree.
I liked this branch, and was hoping there was some way to save it. I wanted to know if this was recoverable. It is not. I got my info, as well as an explanation as to why. That was helpful and informative. I will remove that branch and CONTINUE to not mess with the rest of them. The explanation as to why trying to wire for support only was helpful and I now understand why to not do that.
People saying, "Oh, ERC isn't any good for bonsai" or "That tree doesn't look very nice and has no character" (comment from a different thread) aren't addressing my question at all. They are merely expressing an unwanted opinion, which has NOTHING to do with my post. Nothing. Not even REMOTELY helpful. That's just people's ego talking.
Not interested in that. Opinions are like assholes yadda yadda.
PARTICULARLY considering all the contradictory info re: bonsai that is all over the place.
When I ask a technical question, I am ONLY interested in things directly relevant to that question.
It's like asking on a bike forum ... say .... "I'm having a problem with my cogset, what can I do to fix it." and people say, "Dude, that wheel sucks. Throw it out and get a new wheel. I've been a biker for over 20 years, and I've never liked those wheels."
Asinine, egotistical, highly opinionated, and not helpful. If you can't see how that is, you're blinded most likely by ego.

I re-iterate: THE TREE IS FINE!!
I haven't provided enough information for ANYONE to make any further determination about the health of the rest of the tree.
This ONE branch is broken at the base. This is not due to "tree health issues," this is due to (most likely) an animal; or possibly weather (strong t-storm winds). As I mentioned, I have seen signs of digging in the soil on a couple occasions. Animals. That has NOTHING TO DO with the tree's overall health. It is, in fact, rather happy.
I may be new to bonsai, but I AM NOT new to plants.
I know when a plant is healthy. I know how to identify goddamned bad roots, ESPECIALLY root rot. I frankly found that comment insulting. The roots on this tree are healthy, and have firmed up A LOT since I first put the tree in a pot. Like I said, I would NOT have collected this tree if it had had poor root structure.
Right now, I'm ONLY letting it grow. Misting it frequently. I'm not messing with the tree AT ALL.
I'm adding decoration to the pot, just moss and rocks right now. That's it. I might sculpt a clay figurine to add to it. Something to provide scale.

ADMINS: Feel free to close and lock this thread. My question is answered, and the rest of this conversation is going nowhere, clearly.

... hopefully someone responds to my Jade question without inserting such opinions. LOL


What its like is asking 'what's wrong with my cogset' and its attached to a rusted bike with no handlebars, half a frame and one pedal that's 20yrs old pulled from a trashheap and ur crying because folks would say 'hey that bikes a piece of crap - you should use that set on something worthwhile. Make proper comparisons at least.

Oh btw kerosene works great for jade cuttings with brown spots. Apply wait 5 mins and apply match.

This guy is making me laugh so hard it's definitely making my Tuesday haha.
 
It's like asking on a bike forum ... say .... "I'm having a problem with my cogset, what can I do to fix it." and people say, "Dude, that wheel sucks. Throw it out and get a new wheel. I've been a biker for over 20 years, and I've never liked those wheels."
Asinine, egotistical, highly opinionated, and not helpful. If you can't see how that is, you're blinded most likely by ego.

You are on a bonsai forum, and yet you appear to be dismissing any advice with regards to your choice of subject as a bonsai, from people who've been doing bonsai forever, and also manage to sound like a know-it-all all-the-while asking a very basic question. If what you really have is a horticultural question and you plan on ignoring any bonsai-related comments, perhaps it would be best to try and find a more general horticultural forum out there?... To keep with your bike forum example, it feels more like someone posting a picture of their bicycle on a sports bike motorcycle forum and asking if they have a flat tire.. and then being mad when they're told that not only they have a flat tire, but also that their bicycle is probably never going to be a sports bike... (ok ok, not that good of an example, but was trying to keep with your theme :p )
 
Yes pls if I ever post a pic of a branch from my magnolia tree that had some squirrel messed up pls inform me how I can fix it to make it a great bonsai.
 
Did I ask for advice about my choice of subject?
No.
Such "advice" is 100% irrelevant to my question, and almost entirely opinion. Irrelevant.
And yes, your "re-analogy" is horrible. Mine is logical and sound.
Me: "I have a problem. Can I fix it, and if so how?"
Some People: <ignores problem completely> "Your stuff sucks."

Yeah. Real great "help" there. Not at ALL egotistical.
Again I say: I have NEVER BEFORE encountered such ridiculous behavior so quickly in a forum in my entire 25+ yrs of internet usage.

A quick survey of the Internet Bonsai Club forums shows me people THERE aren't being over-opinionated arrogant dicks like they are here.
I half expect a ban for saying that. But frankly, it'd be no skin off my ass, as that sort of shit is almost ALL I've gotten here since I joined.
 
And yes, your "re-analogy" is horrible. Mine is logical and sound.
Me: "I have a problem. Can I fix it, and if so how?"
Some People: <ignores problem completely> "Your stuff sucks."

Like I said, I was trying to stick with your theme ;)

Bonsai is an art form; A better example would be going to a forum for cinema enthusiasts/critics/professionals, and asking if your tv is broken while posting a picture of your broken flatscreen tv playing Transformer 5, and after being told that a) your TV is borked, and B) Transformer 5 is a shitty movie... getting mad because the cinema enthusiasts are commenting about your choice in movies when all you wanted was technical advice about your TV (and then proceeding to tell them that Transformer 5 is actually quite a fine movie and you never asked for their opinion of it anyway)... If all you want is technical advice, go to an electronics repair forum... This is a bonsai forum... people are going to have opinions about your tree from a bonsai-enthusiasm perspective whether you like or not!
 
This is pointless. I'm done here. I'm sure y'all will be as happy for me to leave as I will be to be done with this nonsense.
Lots of ego here. That's for sure.

Also, friends have informed me (upon my request to review this thread) that I'm being as much of a dick as the people being dicks are. They DID agree about other people being dicks tho.
I apologize for my part in exacerbating that ...... EXCEPT in regards to my reply to that first response.

Bai
 
friends have informed me (upon my request to review this thread) that I'm being as much of a dick as the people being dicks are.
Yep, they got that right! Usually if all your interactions are turning negative, it's not everyone else...it's you.

Bai.
 
Man, what's up with the forum lately? Unless this thread dies now... I doubt that as this one's got staying power what with the given subject matter and all:rolleyes:... we've got at least 3 threads going simultaneously with contentious comments, profanity, name calling, etc.,. It's like old days all over again!... or winter time;). Whatever, carry on... maybe I'll learn something new about ERC:eek::p.
 
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