Pots for juniper shohin itoigawa
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Rob_phillips
Chumono
I was a bit nervous cutting them off but when we looked at them we decided they were just not quite usable.
The branch marked with a blue arrow follows the line of the bottom section of the trunk and makes the eye drift away from the curves of the trunk.
The branch with the red line was deemed to low. Over time the branches can be lowered a bit more but i like it.
The reason we didnt jin either of them was for the same reason we felt it would deflect the eye from the flow of the trunk.
Rob_phillips
Chumono
I like the choice of pot in the end it suits the curvy trunk
Eric Group
Masterpiece
Didn't leave any stubs/Jin for the branches removed?
Rob_phillips
Chumono
We did to see how they looked but decided against it in the end. The left hand branch marked with red line the stubb was pointing down and again taking the eye away from the flow of the trunk and almost ending the flow of the trunk. Same reason we did not keep a jin on the branch marked in blue.
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LanceMac10
Imperial Masterpiece
Rob_phillips
Chumono
Cheers for the happy birthday Yeah the tree is doing great its been growing really well i will post a pic soon
Rob_phillips
Chumono
Hi all this tree is doing well and its been a year since it was restyled and repotted, but i have a conundrum i have purchased another Walsall ceramics pot as it looks ace and i think it may work for this tree but im a bit indicisive and unsure.
what do you lot think?
The new pot adds texture but im unsure if its the best for my for this tree.
This is it sat infront but bear in mind the tree is further back so looks smaller
what do you lot think?
The new pot adds texture but im unsure if its the best for my for this tree.
This is it sat infront but bear in mind the tree is further back so looks smaller
Rob_phillips
Chumono
Interesting in your opinion what could be done to rectify this?
Well, it depends on what you have in mind for it.
It COULD be made into a literati.
It could be “crunched” down and made into a really curvy informal upright.
Is there Shari on the back?
Does the apex come forward?
Can you post pics from all 4 sides?
Rob_phillips
Chumono
Hi thanks for the reply it has no shari as of yet and it is in need of a tidy up to bring it back into shape but i will wait for that as its freezing here in the uk.
But o just took some rubbish pics as its pitch black outside i had to bring it indoors so you have shadow and im a bit too close but you will get the general idea of the design it has now and if the pics are too rubbish i can take some more tomorrow outdoors where i have more room.
Front
Left side
Almost the back of the tree I don't know what happened there lol
Right side
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RobertB
Chumono
im still learning about junipers, but yours kind of looks like it needs to regain some strength before you do much to it.
Rob_phillips
Chumono
Yeah it is winter here and very cold the tree is in its scruffy winter look but you are right its only been one year from a big repot and drastic style chang.
I dont plan on doing any work to it if im honest just maybe sliping it into the other pot in spring but i aint sure it is quite right for it i did not purchase the new pot with any tree in mind I just love it so i will find somehing to slip into it eventually
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
Lo
love all the separation. I noticed all that was lost over the past year. It needs lots of thinning. Can you do this on your own? Also the round pot was very suitable, but in a smaller size. Way too big. It would compliment the tree greatly
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
There is a “ unusable pot depot” here in Fresno CA. Go ahead and pack it carefully and pay for shipping and I can handle the rest. Hold while I find the address!
Rob_phillips
Chumono
Thanks for the reply yeah I can thin it out next year i have it a year to recover after the work done last February as that must have stressed it out so this year it should be stronger and more vigorous so i will let it wake up through spring then get to work on it late spring.
Rob_phillips
Chumono
Ok @Smoke Just so im clear you genually think this pot is a good match just too big as its basically got the same width to it as the old pot just 1cm less width but its obviously a round pot so will look bigger.
Im at a show in a few weeks where walsall ceramics will be, so maybe they will make me a smaller version for in a year's time.
Im at a show in a few weeks where walsall ceramics will be, so maybe they will make me a smaller version for in a year's time.
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Ok, you have a nice little tree. I’m going to say a lot of things about it... please don’t take offense. All the things I’m going to say are about ways to improve it. (We’re always improving trees! At Intensives, Boon shows us pictures of Kokofu winning trees, and asks his students (us) what they would do to improve it!)
So, first thing you should decide is whether you want a tall literati style tree, or a shorter twisty tree.
A taller literati should have a rather sparse canopy, with a lot of negative space, dropping branches to convey a feeling of great age. Now good literati have tall, slender trunks. Usually graceful, sometimes more angular. Your tree starts off down low with dramatic movement, which changes to more serpentine up higher in the tree. It’s a rather different feel up in the canopy than down below. And then, some of the branches up in the canopy appear to be rather heavy when compared to the girth of the trunk.
For all those reasons, I think crunching it down would be the better option.
Using a jack and guy wires and rebar, you ought to be able to shorten the whole tree. Probably several guy wires. And several sessions of crunching! Don’t try to do it all at once, crunch a bit, wait another month, crunch some more!
The next thing is the branches. The trunk has lots of curves, but the branches look to be fairly straight. Whatever forces are at work making the trunk curve would be acting on the branches, too! Make ‘em move!
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