OUTDOOR PROPOGATION USING DIFFERENT HYDROPONIC GROWING MEDIA

[cmeg1]

Figured I would start a different thread.

Most growing is outdoors recently except perhaps rooting the cuttings.

All these are growing in Stonewool...Either Grodan Mini- Blocks or the Grow Wool loose media.

I will update the thread with all the various hydro techniques as usual.

Currently watering with a sort of flood table ( a large tray full of 5 gallons of nutrient and then reused for about 7-10 days by storing in a bucket with a lid)..... very quick and economical.

The mini -blocks are in mesh trays and dunked in the nutrient flood table about 30-60 minutes each evening.
Same with the deciduous seedlings in the Grow -Wool except they can go a week or more before needing water.They are in mesh daisy trays also.

Deciduous seedlings seem to be doing great like this.... very hudrated and turgid in 90 f days in about 8 hrs direct sun......
This is beneficial.

Just planted Hedge Maple and more Trident maple along with loads of Coreana Hornbeam this morning.Thousands of seedlings.

I’m not really looking for fast growth with these........collected rain water and low EC nutrient boosted with fulvic acid to make everything more available.
My usual bio-stimulant hydroponics.

I did have to break out and add a 1 time 12 mnth insecticide to the deciduous media as bugs would of destroyed them......especially the elms

 

[cmeg1]

more pics

 

[BrightsideB]

I started using some of that fulvic acid and it works great! It will be cool to see some of those trees you started from seed when they are older.

 

[cmeg1]

I started using some of that fulvic acid and it works great! It will be cool to see some of those trees you started from seed when they are older.

Awesome,yes.I mean lets not forget that less salt in the nutrient means more water being drawn into the plant.Low ec high high uptake by fulvic acid.......can use 30% or less npk in alot of cases with addition of fulvic acid........fulvic acid and kelp have loads of iron and calcium and all the micro elements you need..........good to add a calmag though to boost even more calcium since low on the npk base ( which most rely on for calcium).

 

[BrightsideB]

Awesome,yes.I mean lets not forget that less salt in the nutrient means more water being drawn into the plant.Low ec high high uptake by fulvic acid.......can use 30% or less npk in alot of cases with addition of fulvic acid........fulvic acid and kelp have loads of iron and calcium and all the micro elements you need..........good to add a calmag though to boost even more calcium since low on the npk base ( which most rely on for calcium).

If I am getting this correctly. I am not good at chemistry but in simple terms the fulvic acid compound is taken up by the roots quicker and easier and the elements of the nutrient blend bind to the fulvic acid creating more mineral and nutrient uptake? Hence quicker and healthy plant development.
Is the humic acid similar?

 

[cmeg1]

If I am getting this correctly. I am not good at chemistry but in simple terms the fulvic acid compound is taken up by the roots quicker and easier and the elements of the nutrient blend bind to the fulvic acid creating more mineral and nutrient uptake? Hence quicker and healthy plant development.
Is the humic acid similar?

Yes correct....the fulvic is a low molecular weight acid that carries mineral ion elements directly into plant cells.....while humic does have a certain fraction of fulvic it has more of the heavy molecular weight that is better in soil to chelate mineral ions.

 

[BrightsideB]

That makes sense. Those two acids are incredible. It will be cool to see your outdoor operation success this growing season! You’re getting an army of baby monster trees!

 

[Maiden69]

What concentration fulvic acid are you using? I did sprinkle some HumiChar on my trees from the bag that I used for my lawn at the beginning of the spring. I was looking at some Fulvic online and found this one. It recommends more for seeding than for watering. I have been using some liquid seaweed, going to have to add kelp to my list.

 

[cmeg1]

My favorite is npk or kalix (if buying bulk choose kalix,the parent company).
Best to use the 5:2 ratio of humic or fulvic :kelp powders.

Definately some good sciance touting the benefits of this ratio working 50% better then either product on their own.......strong antibiotic effects and also budding/flowering sites......

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Again if buying bulk kalix is the way to go

 

[cmeg1]

upsized the mini Grodan Blocks to 4” .

These kabidachi starters seem to be perking up.
Only been outside barely a week.I up-potted into bigger 4” blocks to give them room and stay moist.
As tou can see the 2” blocks did a good job of air pruning roots......quite dense and roots look healthy to me.........the danger with the grodan is drying really.Better to keep wet at all times.Or the trees take a devastating set back from dehydration.

These are cool.I am happy thus far........about 140 or so singles on the way rooting now as writing this......I horribly lost track of red and black pines and mixed them up.....oh well.
Can differentiate later.

 

[Deleted member 32750]

Very cool thread. I'm thinking of starting to experiment with hydroponic media for propagation and I was wondering what type of media to you typically use for rooting cuttings? I was thinking of trying the rock wool

 

[cmeg1]

Very cool thread. I'm thinking of starting to experiment with hydroponic media for propagation and I was wondering what type of media to you typically use for rooting cuttings? I was thinking of trying the rock wool

Rockwool is great with the addition of their smart tray plastic risers that fit in the dome.....otherwise they sit in water too much and no air-pruning will happen......not good.

Also can put an 1/2” of water in the flat and crank a heat mat up to 85f.

Mother plant prep helps consideralbly too.

HALT THE GROWTH WITH A LOW STRENGTH MOTHER FERT OR A 1:1 ratio of n/k...for a while will make the plant mich stronger and higher brix in shape for cutting and also take cuts at end of day or light cycle and they will root 50% faster.

 

[sorce]

I was thinking about you doing something like this outdoors just the other day!

It started with my investigation into aquaponics that led to ponds, then these fellers here got me researching upflow bog filters, wetland filters.

I been thinking about dividing the yard with a retaining wall, one side natural, and one side feeding a more "industrial" garden fed by bog filter overflows. Mostly just holes cut into the top of pvc to place cuttings in that drains back into the pond.

It's kind of amazing what you can do with just a pump!

Nice.

Sorce

 

[cmeg1]

I was thinking about you doing something like this outdoors just the other day!

It started with my investigation into aquaponics that led to ponds, then these fellers here got me researching upflow bog filters, wetland filters.

I been thinking about dividing the yard with a retaining wall, one side natural, and one side feeding a more "industrial" garden fed by bog filter overflows. Mostly just holes cut into the top of pvc to place cuttings in that drains back into the pond.

It's kind of amazing what you can do with just a pump!

Nice.

Sorce

Thanks,Man.
My 2 hrs of rest time after work before bed is spent often meditating while thwy soak it up!!!

Is faster for sure.Just glad to be back into the growing process with the season.

Goong low EC. with these.......no rush will make strong roots.
Low ec and lots of suppliment and bio’s.

Loking at these now they are starting to grow for sure

 

[cmeg1]

More
Supertunia loves it too....pure grow wool

The green japanese maple are great in the full sun....at 90f......7-8 hrs.........stoked for these really.
I belive the calcium and extra hydration is very beneficial.

 

[Deleted member 32750]

Rockwool is great with the addition of their smart tray plastic risers that fit in the dome.....otherwise they sit in water too much and no air-pruning will happen......not good.

Also can put an 1/2” of water in the flat and crank a heat mat up to 85f.

Mother plant prep helps consideralbly too.

HALT THE GROWTH WITH A LOW STRENGTH MOTHER FERT OR A 1:1 ratio of n/k...for a while will make the plant mich stronger and higher brix in shape for cutting and also take cuts at end of day or light cycle and they will root 50% faster.

Do you have an example of that type of Fertilizer? And do you mean 1:1 nitrogen/potassium ratio? so like a 3-X-3 npk Fert?

 

[cmeg1]

Do you have an example of that type of Fertilizer? And do you mean 1:1 nitrogen/potassium ratio? so like a 3-X-3 npk Fert?

Yea a balanced fert will give better results in cutings.

 

[cmeg1]

Trees getting more vibrant in the sun.

Perhaps the kelp foliar.....or everything really.
Nice coloring on these young seedlings.
The tridents are just beginning to show vigor.......they always seem slow to start when I grow them.
Everything fine in the all day sun.Suprising!

Pines have nice color too.

Just added some hydroponic microbes to the nutrient.These are great in low fertilizer situations when microbes can feed on root exudates and actually creat a natirally prodicing NPK,so as not to rely on leaf energy so much.Stronger brix and stronger roots!!!

That way higher brix and stronger roots

 

[Deleted member 32750]

Yea a balanced fert will give better results in cutings.

Thanks for the response. I started some cuttings of a rare cork bark trident in the rock wool starter plugs this weekend. I found a cool hydroponic store near me and went and bought the supplies I needed. I was like a kid in a candy store.

 

[BrightsideB]

Do you see a difference in branch extension outdoors vs indoors?