Never use an angle grinder without a guard (as shown in photo)

[BillsBayou]

Bill, I was able to use the Bosh when I was overseas, I wanted to buy one but decided to wait till I got back here... a bad idea, nobody sells it, and it is too darn expensive to import. It is a decent tool. I am also doubtful of the wave of Chinese 4" and 6" handhelds, but Milwaukee has a 6" in their M12 Fuel series of cordless tools.

Milwaukee M12 FUEL 12V Lithium-Ion Brushless Battery 6 in. HATCHET Pruning Saw Kit with 4.0 Ah Battery and Charger 2527-21 - The Home Depot

Complete your touch jobs by choosing this amazing Milwaukee M12 FUEL Lithium-Ion Brushless Cordless HATCHET Pruning Saw Kit with Battery and Charger.

www.homedepot.com

One thing I now need to consider is what you mentioned above... I didn't count on the oil from the blade. But I think that could be worked on using some natural oil?

Vegetable oil?

Yeah..... I saw that Milwaukee has one. I'm trying to keep my tool lust in check. $269 (plus tax) is a bit steep, but not out of my reach. If you see me in a video using the tool, try not to laugh too hard.

Which brings me to my second point: Chain Oil. Apparently, you CAN use vegetable oil. This article recommends canola oil: https://workshoppist.com/best-vegetable-oils-for-bar-chain/
The manual for the Milwaukee Hatchet states "NOTE: It is recommended to use a vegetable based chain oil when pruning trees." https://www.manualslib.com/manual/2119462/Milwaukee-Hatchet-M12-Fhs.html?page=7#manual
Good chain oil has an anti-sling agent to keep the oil on the chain. I'm sure someone is selling a vegetable based oil with an anti-sling agent.

Damn. I hope those things go on sale soon. Some of my trees could use a little chainsaw action. Maybe I'll do a side by side comparison of the angle grinder chainsaw blade and the Milwaukee Hatchet. "As you can clearly see, the Lancelot blade removed three of my fingers where the Milwaukee removed zero fingers."

YouTube gave me some interesting results when I searched for "Bosch GTA 26". THIS ONE calls it the worst tool ever made. And the SECOND ONE is a virtual reality 360° video that has absolutely nothing to do with "Bosch GTA 26" (I went ahead and subscribed in case she ever does tool reviews).

 

[BillsBayou]

I see a LOT of YouTube snake oil videos. This one popped up a few minutes ago. Freakin' robot voices always give it away.

 

[bbk]

I am laughing at the absurdity of this thread.

 

[bbk]

We have this saying in my family
"When you're dumb, you gotta be tough"

We have a saying in my country.

Only in America…

More seriously there is a thing called the hierarchy of control. See image.

A guard in a machine is an engineering control, and in the case of a angle grinder a demonstration of how poor “engineering controls” can be.

@Wires_Guy_wires has also demonstrated how poor PPE is as a safety control.

You want to be operating in the space above engineering controls.

I could go on forever.

 

[Mikecheck123]

I see a LOT of YouTube snake oil videos. This one popped up a few minutes ago. Freakin' robot voices always give it away.

Apparently you have to assemble it yourself?

I wonder if you can shave with it.

 

[Paradox]

We have a saying in my country.

Only in America…

More seriously there is a thing called the hierarchy of control. See image.

A guard in a machine is an engineering control, and in the case of a angle grinder a demonstration of how poor “engineering controls” can be.

@Wires_Guy_wires has also demonstrated how poor PPE is as a safety control.

You want to be operating in the space above engineering controls.

I could go on forever.

It's not just an American thing.
There are countless examples of people all over the world practicing stupid human tricks. We just put them on social media more in the US because we like to show off our stupidity to get those "likes"

Yea that image reminds me of a safety, risk assessment and control training we have at work

 

[bbk]

It's not just an American thing.
There are countless examples of people all over the world practicing stupid human tricks. We just put them on social media more in the US because we like to show off our stupidity to get those "likes"

Yea that image reminds me of a safety, risk assessment and control training we have at work

I agree with that. Stupidly isn’t confined to America, nor is it confined to stupid people.

 

[Cajunrider]

We have a saying in my country.

Only in America…

More seriously there is a thing called the hierarchy of control. See image.

A guard in a machine is an engineering control, and in the case of a angle grinder a demonstration of how poor “engineering controls” can be.

@Wires_Guy_wires has also demonstrated how poor PPE is as a safety control.

You want to be operating in the space above engineering controls.

I could go on forever.

I think the members of this forum are very knowledgeable. The hierarchy of control you show has been practiced by some of us for decades both at work and at home.

 

[BillsBayou]

I'm still surprised that you can walk into Home Depot and buy a chainsaw and not a single person will ask you if you plan on cutting unsecured logs in your yard while wearing shorts.

Haven't killed myself yet...but the angle grinder vid is making me question my life choices thus far.

Buy a Stihl from an authorized dealer. They'll show you everything you need to know about the chainsaw. The have chaps for chainsaw use with material designed to foul the blade if you happen to hit your leg. As the salesman put it, you might hit flesh, but it's much less likely to hit bone.

As for buying it at Home Depot, yeah, that's scary. I was there looking at chainsaws after hurricane Ira last Fall. Someone covered in wood chips was buying chain oil and noticed the confused look on my face. He's the one that turned me on to Stihl.

Sad that the customers need to save each other while the store clerks just put merchandise on the shelves.

 

[Cajunrider]

Buy a Stihl from an authorized dealer. They'll show you everything you need to know about the chainsaw. The have chaps for chainsaw use with material designed to foul the blade if you happen to hit your leg. As the salesman put it, you might hit flesh, but it's much less likely to hit bone.

As for buying it at Home Depot, yeah, that's scary. I was there looking at chainsaws after hurricane Ira last Fall. Someone covered in wood chips was buying chain oil and noticed the confused look on my face. He's the one that turned me on to Stihl.

Sad that the customers need to save each other while the store clerks just put merchandise on the shelves.

I have mixed feeling toward this. Nowadays, everything comes in with ample CYA warnings. For me, I think the warnings should be reserved for things that are out of the norm. Ordinary risks should be known and observed by the users.

 

[orangeyeoman]

We have a saying in my country.

Only in America…

More seriously there is a thing called the hierarchy of control. See image.

A guard in a machine is an engineering control, and in the case of a angle grinder a demonstration of how poor “engineering controls” can be.

@Wires_Guy_wires has also demonstrated how poor PPE is as a safety control.

You want to be operating in the space above engineering controls.

I could go on forever.

Staplerfahrer Klaus proves it's not just America. It's universal. Having worked in Asia, and the Middle East, I can tell you that self-preservation is not an actual instinct in humans.

 

[HorseloverFat]

Product gallery photos are supposed to show you the product in action. This should be a "DON'T" photo. It is inherently dangerous to use a carving blade in an angle grinder. It is sheer IDIOCY to use a carving blade without a guard. It's obvious that this is a bad Photoshop hack.

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I'm not recommending this purchase. Good carbide blades never cost under $20. Also, there is a review written in German that speaks to the low quality of the teeth. I'm not even giving out the link to this.

This isn't real, right?


There's SOOO many reasons NOT to do something like this!!!!

I gotta step away.

Are these folks TRYING to get kids/inexperienced persons to actually HURT themselves!?

 

[HorseloverFat]

I agree with that. Stupidly isn’t confined to America, nor is it confined to stupid people.

Ehhhh .....

America claims most global stupidity...

And, sadly, most stupid people, globally.

(Don't quote these statistics, they'renot real. )

Ask ANY European/Asian Marketing specialist about how "American-geared" advertising differs....


Dang! I said I was stepping away!

 

[Maiden69]

Buy a Stihl from an authorized dealer.

Funny you mentioned Stihl, as apparently they have a mini saw as well... while they said that they wouldn't consider the Amazon special, for the amount of carving that I may do in my lifetime, I may give it a shot at 1/5th the price of the Stihl.

https://www.stihlusa.com/guides-projects/a/gta-26-technology/

 

[BillsBayou]

Funny you mentioned Stihl, as apparently they have a mini saw as well... while they said that they wouldn't consider the Amazon special, for the amount of carving that I may do in my lifetime, I may give it a shot at 1/5th the price of the Stihl.

https://www.stihlusa.com/guides-projects/a/gta-26-technology/

Thanks for the video link. That video and others tells me that the Milwaukee would be the best for my carving needs. The M12 battery platform fits more tools. The tool itself is more powerful. The trigger has a guard and there is a second handle.

If my wife were to prune trees, I'd get her the Stihl. It's not overpowered, but it looks rather effective. She would appreciate the lighter weight.

The cheap tool in the video looks like a stocking stuffer you give your grandfather just so everyone can laugh when he's asking "What the f*** is this thing? I'm going break it just looking at it!"

 

[bbk]

I think the members of this forum are very knowledgeable. The hierarchy of control you show has been practiced by some of us for decades both at work and at home.

Based on this discussion, I would disagree with the first point and agree with the second, noting you did say “some of us”.

The hierarchy of control is neither new or revolutionary.

 

[BillsBayou]

I think the members of this forum are very knowledgeable. The hierarchy of control you show has been practiced by some of us for decades both at work and at home.

I've never heard of the hierarchy of control. My motto has always been
"SAFETY: Somewhere in the top ten."

 

[bbk]

Time to change your handle to BillyByeBye

 

[Dysfunctional Vet]

Talk too much about safety? Wowser!

Sorry to be sarcastic. yet I’ve seen so many industrial and home tool accidents over the past 70 years it makes my head hurt.

One guy with his arm blown off, essentially amputated when he air tested a pipe system (vs water tested). He was lucky the surgeons were able to reattach the arm and get most of his motion back. Big bills followed.

In another my across the street neighbor cut the top of his finger off when he ran a piece of wood through a table saw…. push tools were beyond his kin. Insurance company refused to pay at first. And on and on.

In my former trade, military salvage diving, we have a saying, “There are old divers and bold divers… but no old, bold divers.”

Yet there are always people that insist on being ‘accidents waiting to happen’

DSD sends

You ever see the video, “shaking hands with danger”? Hahahahaha

 

[Cajunrider]

Based on this discussion, I would disagree with the first point and agree with the second, noting you did say “some of us”.

The hierarchy of control is neither new or revolutionary.

I have been with this group long enough to know that the knowledgeable ones often stay quiet and sometimes join in the ruckus for shit and giggles.

Many of us here may be newbies to bonsai but are leaders in other fields. I’ve learned to stay respectful and contribute when I can.