My First Real Yamadori

amkhalid said:
This is a great tree. Good idea giving it time to grow, it looks like it hasn't really gained the strength it needs following collection.

Please don't tell me the 75 on the tag is the price! I mean, that would be an incredible deal for you, but if thats what a tree like this is fetching, the bonsai market in North America must be tanking hard.
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Haha no, I wish it was $75. That was do not sell until after 7-5, since it was repotted sometime this spring they usually hold trees after repot a certain amount of time before they sell them. The tree is definitely still in recovery road but overall looks healthy. I'm no sure when it was collected actually I would be shocked it it was collected and potted this year, and also made its way across the us already. Possible though, I think 2015 will hopefully be ready for work.
 
This will be a relatively difficult tree as far as styling. However, I might feel differently if I saw the tree in person. Anyway, I think no matter what design you go with, leaning the tree to the left or right maybe as much as 30 degrees or more might be warranted. As it stands, you have a very straight deadwood/vein trunk. Tipping it will give it some appeal. Also, with a bit of outside carving on the deadwood, you might be able to create a curve. The combination of both techniques should yield a tree with some movement.

Rob
 
Thinning out the deadwood could really improve the tree.
 
You have an open canvas of deadwood to do some phenomenal carving. Turn the piece into a sculpture not just another tree!! As far as thinning out the deadwood, that's up to you!...I wouldn't...have some fun and get carving!!.just look below!!
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october said:
This will be a relatively difficult tree as far as styling. However, I might feel differently if I saw the tree in person. Anyway, I think no matter what design you go with, leaning the tree to the left or right maybe as much as 30 degrees or more might be warranted. As it stands, you have a very straight deadwood/vein trunk. Tipping it will give it some appeal. Also, with a bit of outside carving on the deadwood, you might be able to create a curve. The combination of both techniques should yield a tree with some movement.

Rob
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It will certainly be a challenge, but a good one. The difficult part is the branches are all at the top of the tree. Separating the live vein from the deadwood and incorporating some movement may be in order. Not for awhile though. It's going to be tough to leave it alone for two years but it will be worth it.
 
Hard to say without seeing the tree, but I don't know if this tree needs much carving. It looks like the deadwood is old and has outstanding texture.

Reverse taper is quite natural on junipers and it doesn't bother me much on this tree. If it does bother you, you could probably quite easily separate the live vein, bend it up and plant the tree deeper. This might be something to do at a workshop with an experienced instructor.

I agree with october that the planting angle needs to be changed to correct the perpendicular emergence of the live vein.

I've had a couple newly collected RMJ and if you asked me I would guess this was collected this year. It looks like it still has its mountain foliage but I could be wrong. In my experience they usually produce strong spiky shoots within one year of collection.
 
amkhalid said:
Hard to say without seeing the tree, but I don't know if this tree needs much carving. It looks like the deadwood is old and has outstanding texture.

Reverse taper is quite natural on junipers and it doesn't bother me much on this tree. If it does bother you, you could probably quite easily separate the live vein, bend it up and plant the tree deeper. This might be something to do at a workshop with an experienced instructor.

I agree with october that the planting angle needs to be changed to correct the perpendicular emergence of the live vein.

I've had a couple newly collected RMJ and if you asked me I would guess this was collected this year. It looks like it still has its mountain foliage but I could be wrong. In my experience they usually produce strong spiky shoots within one year of collection.
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Thanks for your thoughts, I agree with them and have had the same thoughts myself. I don't think carving will be necessary nor do I have the skills to make it believable. To be honest, the reverse taper isn't bothering me that much but a better angle might suit it better.

It may have been collected this year, which scares me because I'm pretty sure they repotted it at NE Bonsai. Scary that it may have been collected and potted twice this year.
 
Good buy Tom!! Love this material. RMJ make great bonsai subjects. I agree with Rob. This looks to be more challenging than it looks. Nevertheless, it can be a stunning tree if done well!

Enjoy and congrats!! :D
 
Nice tree. Do you think the base will ever be able to support the tree without artificial support in a pot? What are your plans for that? Possibly screw in something that can be hidden under soil line? Looks like it might fall over and snap at the soil line.
 
MACH5 said:
Good buy Tom!! Love this material. RMJ make great bonsai subjects. I agree with Rob. This looks to be more challenging than it looks. Nevertheless, it can be a stunning tree if done well!

Enjoy and congrats!! :D
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Thanks, and yes it will be challenging but I was attracted to its age. I can't wait to start training.
 
jkd2572 said:
Nice tree. Do you think the base will ever be able to support the tree without artificial support in a pot? What are your plans for that? Possibly screw in something that can be hidden under soil line? Looks like it might fall over and snap at the soil line.
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I hope once the roots establish themselves it will be more solid in its pot. It was a little wiggly when I bought it so I propped it up its the chopsticks. If it needs support though, I'll have to put a wood block in the pot I guess.
 
Good foliage on that one. It is incredible how different the foliage can be on one RMJ to another; even found just a hundred feet apart out in the mountains.

It should be no surprise when people can't instantly tell a kishu from regular shimpaku, they're just so variable.

FWIW, I like the instability created by the deadwood tapering in at the base. I wouldn't work too hard to disguise it...it is what it is, and the foliage will become the balance, or the tension if you choose not to balance it.
 
I don't know how I missed this thread a month ago! Tree is looking good. Love the up close pics of the trunk, that wood is great.
 
Thanks for your comments guys, I'm really excited about this tree. The compact foliage was what pushed me over the top to purchase. I can't wait to work on it after anothe growing season or two.
 
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