Mame Procumbens

[Vance Wood]

No offense, but why did you feel the need to make this obnoxious post?

Probably not knowing better, and probably been doing bonsai long enough to know an awful lot of information, and looked at enough good bonsai to know that this little Procumbens does not have any secondary branching, and understanding the pot is far more valuable than the tree in it. I don't necessarily find a big fault with this and if this was said by some one with more seniority on the forum may not have started a storm.

However what he said is true none the less (I hope I have not pissed some one off which seems to be one of my traits). I also understand the concept of having a great pot and wanting to put something in it; and that was said so at one point. What I would like to see happen is that something gets done with this tree so that it's current home is justified by it's design. In stead of finding a great tree to go into a great pot it is an issue of making a great tree to fit in a great pot.

Anybody can go out and buy a great tree given large enough pockets. The real trick and my favorite challenge is making great trees. Some day I hope to achieve that goal on a regular basis. I posted a couple of photos on the tree thread of the same tree in one of my restyling projects. I realized that the pot this tree is in is quite valuable when one realizes that it is over sixty-years old. One of the original Japanese imports before they started making really crumby pots for those stupid Americans that have the quality of nursery brand clay pots. I am still trying to make this tree good enough to be in this pot.

 

[Poink88]

No offense, but it's just a cutting in an expensive pot.
My view is that an expensive tree goes into an expensive pot.

This is like saying that only rich ladies can wear expensive dress. While they may be the ones who can afford it most, doesn't mean the poor shouldn't. Cost also doesn't mean it looks good...or matches the wearer. Same goes with pots.

IF it is for a show then your statement MAY apply SOMEWHAT. The pot still have to match & compliment the tree (style, size, type, shape, color, quality, etc.) regardless of cost or value.

 

[Poink88]

Vance, I've placed trees on what available pot I have (any container actually). Sometimes, bigger and or more expensive than they should. Does it really matter while it is in training? I mean, same can be said why I use dish pans.

 

[bonsairxmd]

Redo

Didn't realize my post would ruffle feathers. Here is my redo

Hey. Check out my cool new pot! lol


(since I didn't like my past avatar that much it was changed so I guess it will continue to bother all those out there )


Let's say the tiny procumbens was removed from the pot, cremated, and its ashes spread over the less desirable neighborhoods of Japan. All I have left is the avatar for my memories.......

 

[Poink88]

Didn't realize my post would ruffle feathers. Here is my redo

Hey. Check out my cool new pot! lol


(since I didn't like my past avatar that much it was changed so I guess it will continue to bother all those out there )

Now that is funny. LOL

Thanks!

 

[coh]

Probably not knowing better, and probably been doing bonsai long enough to know an awful lot of information, and looked at enough good bonsai to know that this little Procumbens does not have any secondary branching, and understanding the pot is far more valuable than the tree in it. I don't necessarily find a big fault with this and if this was said by some one with more seniority on the forum may not have started a storm.

However what he said is true none the less (I hope I have not pissed some one off which seems to be one of my traits). I also understand the concept of having a great pot and wanting to put something in it; and that was said so at one point. What I would like to see happen is that something gets done with this tree so that it's current home is justified by it's design. In stead of finding a great tree to go into a great pot it is an issue of making a great tree to fit in a great pot.

Anybody can go out and buy a great tree given large enough pockets. The real trick and my favorite challenge is making great trees. Some day I hope to achieve that goal on a regular basis. I posted a couple of photos on the tree thread of the same tree in one of my restyling projects. I realized that the pot this tree is in is quite valuable when one realizes that it is over sixty-years old. One of the original Japanese imports before they started making really crumby pots for those stupid Americans that have the quality of nursery brand clay pots. I am still trying to make this tree good enough to be in this pot.

Sure what he said is true - it's a small, relatively undeveloped bonsai in a very nice pot. But there are ways to say it that are not offensive if one feels the need to make that type of observation.

Or, instead of just saying "it's just a cutting in an expensive pot", offer some constructive suggestions on how to develop the tree. I'm not saying this to you, Vance, but to "Carp" who has made it a point here to tell us about how many great people he is working with...yet all he can come up with is "it's just a cutting in an expensive pot". Great contribution.

Perhaps my reaction is partly due to some stuff that is happening on another forum that has me ticked off, but seeing as I'm not the only one who has had the same reaction...I think Carp should pay attention.

Chris

 

[edprocoat]

Didn't realize my post would ruffle feathers. Here is my redo

Hey. Check out my cool new pot! lol


(since I didn't like my past avatar that much it was changed so I guess it will continue to bother all those out there )


Let's say the tiny procumbens was removed from the pot, cremated, and its ashes spread over the less desirable neighborhoods of Japan. All I have left is the avatar for my memories.......

Lets for the sake of conversation say you did remove the pro-nana and just show the pot here. I for one would still say its a neat and unique pot I would love to own, but having seen the tree in the pot I would think why did he cater to the whim of one ass' viewpoint ?

I like the combo and feel the pot is in use, the plant will benefit from the room to grow in also. In my mind its a win.

ed

 

[M. Frary]

Didn't realize my post would ruffle feathers. Here is my redo

Hey. Check out my cool new pot! lol


(since I didn't like my past avatar that much it was changed so I guess it will continue to bother all those out there )


Let's say the tiny procumbens was removed from the pot, cremated, and its ashes spread over the less desirable neighborhoods of Japan. All I have left is the avatar for my memories.......

Say it ain't so! Tell me the little guy lives. It would be a crime for it to fry for one guys inconsiderate post.

 

[carp]

Let me rephrase this in a "contributing" manner.

It's a cutting in a pot; juniper's are generally propagated through cuttings.
But if you were to wire the branches and give the tree some action, it could be something more than that. Wire the branches, give the tree some drama that matches the drama of the pot.

I know there's a lot of people out here that collect pots, they'll pay $500 for a pot, but they'll put a low quality tree in it. In this statement, I mean an ugly, or poorly developed tree.
Like its been said, price is irrelevant on the tree, and thats true but price is an easy way to put a "value" to a plant, regardless of what the owner actually paid for it. I think it's silly to put a cheap tree into an expensive pot. For me, it would be like eating mashed potatos and gravy off of antique china dinnerware; something about it just doesn't make sense. When growing and developing a tree, sure, if there is a benefit of having that tree in a $500 tokoname vs a bulb pan, I guess go for it, at the end of the day, its your tree and pot?

 

[Dav4]

Great pot! I believe the potter is Bigei and one of my favorite potters from Japan. This potter is known for the wonderful landscape scenes etched on the pot surface, as well as highly burnished finish. I have at least 6 or 7 pots of his...they're like potato chips- can't have just one!

 

[Dav4]

That's a large, old Yamaaki kiln pot...being used as a training pot for a yew I dug out of my front yard. The tree needed a pot...this pot was empty...the tree fit in the pot with some room to spare...the tree was planted in the pot...simple.

 

[bonsairxmd]

Great pot! I believe the potter is Bigei and one of my favorite potters from Japan. This potter is known for the wonderful landscape scenes etched on the pot surface, as well as highly burnished finish. I have at least 6 or 7 pots of his...they're like potato chips- can't have just one!

you are spot on! that is the maker

 

[bonsairxmd]

Lets for the sake of conversation say you did remove the pro-nana and just show the pot here. I for one would still say its a neat and unique pot I would love to own, but having seen the tree in the pot I would think why did he cater to the whim of one ass' viewpoint ?

I like the combo and feel the pot is in use, the plant will benefit from the room to grow in also. In my mind its a win.

ed

No worries. The tree is still in the pot. I was just being a smart ass

 

[bonsairxmd]

Let me rephrase this in a "contributing" manner.

It's a cutting in a pot; juniper's are generally propagated through cuttings.
But if you were to wire the branches and give the tree some action, it could be something more than that. Wire the branches, give the tree some drama that matches the drama of the pot.

I know there's a lot of people out here that collect pots, they'll pay $500 for a pot, but they'll put a low quality tree in it. In this statement, I mean an ugly, or poorly developed tree.
Like its been said, price is irrelevant on the tree, and thats true but price is an easy way to put a "value" to a plant, regardless of what the owner actually paid for it. I think it's silly to put a cheap tree into an expensive pot. For me, it would be like eating mashed potatos and gravy off of antique china dinnerware; something about it just doesn't make sense. When growing and developing a tree, sure, if there is a benefit of having that tree in a $500 tokoname vs a bulb pan, I guess go for it, at the end of the day, its your tree and pot?

I had actually planned on putting one of my more established trees in this pot but when it came in it was too small for the tree I had in mind. So I improvised. "And that is the rest of the story...."

 

[larlamonde]

Didn't realize my post would ruffle feathers. Here is my redo

Hey. Check out my cool new pot! lol


(since I didn't like my past avatar that much it was changed so I guess it will continue to bother all those out there )


Let's say the tiny procumbens was removed from the pot, cremated, and its ashes spread over the less desirable neighborhoods of Japan. All I have left is the avatar for my memories.......

Funny, nice pot!

 

[Vance Wood]

No worries. The tree is still in the pot. I was just being a smart ass

My father always said: It is better to be a smart ass than a dumb one.

 

[bonsairxmd]

My father always said: It is better to be a smart ass than a dumb one.

Lol. That's great. I'm using that from now on!!

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

Great pot! I believe the potter is Bigei and one of my favorite potters from Japan. This potter is known for the wonderful landscape scenes etched on the pot surface, as well as highly burnished finish. I have at least 6 or 7 pots of his...they're like potato chips- can't have just one!

I like Bigei pots too, maybe even for potato chips, though a suiban is better at containing crumbs.