DougB
Chumono
Anyone ever buy Utah lace rock on ebay from lave-rock-for-fire-pits?
He has about 20lbs for $24.50 with shipping at $16.85.
He has about 20lbs for $24.50 with shipping at $16.85.
Lace Rock Vender
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Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
The problem with that is you cant see the actual pieces yourself. I just went to a higher end aquarium store (not Pet Land or Petco) near me and picked up a couple of pieces to play with.
DougB
Chumono
Thanks Paradox. I also tried what few aquarium stores within an hours drive. They only had expensive live rock and no dead rock. Hence trying the sight unseen route. And actually this was the only bulk source I could find. Oh well we will see what we get.
Joedes3
Shohin
Can you show us pictures of how you would use the lace rock?
JoeDes
JoeDes
DougB
Chumono
Joedes3 they are used in landscapes. There is the older Chinese 'penjing' and the Vietnamese 'hon non bo'. Saikei, or planted landscape is Japanese and was developed during the difficult times after WWII by Toshio Kawamoto. Saikei normally consists of appropriate rocks, sand/gravel, small trees and companion plants, thus fully creating a landscape often with sand as water (penjing utilizes actual water). Here is a photo from an article titled 'Saikei: Creating a Planting with a Deep Ravine' on BonsaiBark. It is by Toshio Kawamoto from his original text. More questions I have answers, but not my own examples as of yet.
Joedes3
Shohin
Wow, That looks great!
That isn't the same rock used in saltwater aquariums, is it?
Joedes3
That isn't the same rock used in saltwater aquariums, is it?
Joedes3
DougB
Chumono
Yes often is used in aquariums. However, most aquarium/reef shops now only carry live rock that has been obtained from the ocean floor.
Not in saltwater aquariums...that is live rock and it is typically limestone based....and very expensive because it must be kept alive and cured before use in an aquarium.
Lace rock is sold in stores to decorate freshwater tanks...specifically for fish like cichlids that like caves and holes.
DhD47
Mame
I found a place online that would send me photos of the rocks before sending. It was not a bad deal and I got 2 rocks from there. The contact information I have is:
Lee Miller , DMSE inc.
Tel: 435-759-2594
leeetmiller@gmaill.com
Just call Lee and let him know what you are looking for. He has sent rocks for bonsai hobbiests before. He's really good.
I also found a local fish shop that has nice rocks too.
Dave
Lee Miller , DMSE inc.
Tel: 435-759-2594
leeetmiller@gmaill.com
Just call Lee and let him know what you are looking for. He has sent rocks for bonsai hobbiests before. He's really good.
I also found a local fish shop that has nice rocks too.
Dave
DougB
Chumono
WELL HERE IS AN UPDATE. I received my order of rocks. And Dave it is from Lee Miller who sells on eBay. The box came rapidly and in good shape. I did not weigh it. His advert says he packs newspaper to prevent breaking of the rocks, however there was no paper in my box and there were some busted pieces and gravel. For a little over $40 I guess its not to bad. Have a couple of nice pieces, but will have to do some whittling on them. Here are some pics of what I received.
DhD47
Mame
That's nothing like the interaction I had with him. We talked on the phone and I said what I wanted. He sent photos a few times until we found one I wanted. By the time he got me email on the reply he sold the one I wanted so he had me pick a new one and he sent me a second rock that was as large and free. Maybe your better off working with him over the phone. Maybe I got him on an up day. Whatever I'm happy and I'm sure like anyplace there is always going to be good and bad. Hope what you got you will be able to use. If it's to bad I would give him a call.
Dave
Dave
DougB
Chumono
Dave I did not intend to display any displeasure with his services. In fact I did get some nice rocks. I was just trying to provide unbiased information and pictures about a difficult product to find. And thanks for your comments Dave. Your not to far from me and in fact 2 of my children and their families are up there. Stay warm someday spring will be here to stay. Thanks again
This thread is a little old, but what you want is Seiryu stone, which you can buy by the pound on Ebay. Google it up, and you will see the amazing aquarium aquascapes that the tank loonies are doing. The Kawamoto picture is pure seiryu, and you will get pieces just like that from the Calif. Ebay sellers.--- Note that you can ask for large or small pieces, and they'll accommodate you. When I asked for large, they came about as large as my two fists together end-to-end--- some larger.
I cannot get enough of this funky stuff, though it pisses off the mailman....
john
I cannot get enough of this funky stuff, though it pisses off the mailman....
john
DougB
Chumono
Thanks for your reply John. I had only found references to the lace stone and I'm glad you have provided some great info. the Seiryu stone does not seem to have the crevices that the lace does. The Kawamoto planting does not have the trees planted in the rock, which lace seems to allow.
Am I correct in assuming the if I desire to be able to plant trees/plants in the rocks then Lace stones would be more appropriate? And if I were to not wish to place the plants in the rocks but around them, then the Seiryu would be better?
Am I correct in assuming the if I desire to be able to plant trees/plants in the rocks then Lace stones would be more appropriate? And if I were to not wish to place the plants in the rocks but around them, then the Seiryu would be better?
Yeah, that seems reasonable. The seiryu is better for saikei/group planting, unless you want to skillfully put several rocks close together for root-over-rock style. Some of the penjing artists are masters of this, and can muck together several rocks to make, visually, one larger stone.
john
john
