Is bonsai going to grow or decline in popularity?

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As bonsai has been in the US and have been generally growing popularity I wonder what the future is for bonsai . Also the market for bonsai trees themselves. If bonsai is gonna fade away or have a bigger community. I personally believe that it can go either way ! What’s your thoughts ?
 
Cobra Kai is on Netflix. How many of you here first discovered bonsai through the Karate Kid movies? ‘Nuff said. The next generation is coming. Also, it’s been widely reported in various human interest stories in the media that keeping houseplants is a trendy thing amongst Millennials.
 
It’s growing , but only a few of the new flock will make it through the fire , and become truly dedicated. Instagram helps which keeps our community and those in my age range who are doing it closer and our community is certainly more bolstered.Why just this week a nice older lady at work ordered a Bonsai from Brussels.. and at first no one knew who it belonged to… so people at work sent it to my office because some know I study Bonsai… I found so the rightful recipient is and now she won’t stop emailing me questions about it. 🙃
 
I can't speak for the US, but in neighbouring Canada there is no sign of any slowing down. Bonsai has been growing steadily for +50 years, and more recently it seems to be growing exponentially.

Like the USA, in Canada we have great, old, established societies in place with good education programs and good mentors. These are greatly complemented by excellent distance-learning opportunities offered by Ryan and Bjorn; of course some people prefer the realms of Nigel Saunders and Peter Chan and that's great too, it's all bonsai! Social media also helps people quickly find their way, and identify communities that they are comfortable in.

Social media is also an endless source of inspiration (personally, I was into Japanese Maples as garden plants until I stumbled on @MACH5 online, and fell in love with maple bonsai -- without that serendipitous moment and exposure, it's unlikely that I would have ever made the transition into bonsai).

It also helps that material and supplies are becoming more easily available, again catering to all levels of interest.

All this to say that stumbling into bonsai--and sticking around--is nowadays easier than it has ever been!
 
I want to play devil's advocate and give reasons why bonsai might decline in the western world.
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I suppose global thermonuclear war would put a real damper on the practice of bonsai. So, I guess, just hope that our world leaders can resist the urge to push the shiny, red, candy-like button. 🤷‍♂️
 
I suppose global thermonuclear war would put a real damper on the practice of bonsai. So, I guess, just hope that our world leaders can resist the urge to push the shiny, red, candy-like button. 🤷‍♂️
Nah. Everyone would just start growing bonsai in their bomb shelters so they have something living and natural to look at.
 
relative really. I can't see it ever being really big unless some major celebrity started trumpeting their love of the hobby. reality is it is very time intensive and can be very expensive. most people don't think about plants when they go on a cruise or something. also, very few will have the patience. I could see it becoming a small cash cow for a small group of yamadori collectors. I could see the potential for reckless collecting with people paying the amounts they are for the material. it was rampant in Japan but the US is ridiculously bigger.
 
relative really. I can't see it ever being really big unless some major celebrity started trumpeting their love of the hobby. reality is it is very time intensive and can be very expensive. most people don't think about plants when they go on a cruise or something. also, very few will have the patience. I could see it becoming a small cash cow for a small group of yamadori collectors. I could see the potential for reckless collecting with people paying the amounts they are for the material. it was rampant in Japan but the US is ridiculously bigger.
Actually those are really good points.
I can see it growing for a few more decades, then plateauing. Possibly a big boom inside the next decade as all the people who jumped on it during quarantine finally become proficient and begin teaching friends and neighbors. Then, as @penumbra said, a stead drop as the fad subsides, eventually leveling out to the point where everyone knows someone who does bonsai, and 1 in 10 have played with the idea.

But what really caught me was your statement on reckless collecting.
In preparation for an upcoming collecting trip, I stopped by the local USDA Forest Service office to ask about permits. They were out, none to be had until May at least. Why? Someone came in and bought up 4000 personal use permits in one transaction at $10 a piece. I'll spare you my monologue on the corrupt nature of of such practices, but if nothing else, from a US business standpoint at least, it would inevitably become dominated by a fistful of companies that don't mind tearing apart the very thing bonsai is meant to connect us to in the race for a fast nickel.
I can't imagine the likes of folks on this forum standing for it, and I can imagine activists who know nothing about bonsai trying to abolish it seeking to combat the very same thing we are.

Unfortunately, for bonsai to thrive in modern American society, it has to grow slowly.
That or, ya know, we kick some political ass until DC gets it's head out of its ass.
I'm all for option #2
 
4000 personal use permits in one transaction at $10 a piece.
$40,000?!

I have many questions...

Who the hell can collect 4000 trees in a season? Are they transferable? Maybe they are a rich person who wants to prevent the practice?
 
One might hope to see it grow. However seeing prevalence of sit on your butt/ pay me for not working, no ambition, no work ethic do nothing youth today one must wonder:rolleyes:.
 
Get a tree on JRE!

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Resources online have only become more abundant in recent years, meaning that quality bonsai information is now almost universally accessible instead of being limited to pockets of the West in which there were already established communities, that's one factor in the favor of growth. Secondly some geopolitical factors such as COVID have lead a lot of people to pick up new hobbies and although many may not stay with it, I think its safe to say there has been a sharp interest spike at the novice level in the last few years. Lastly there have been points made about the houseplant scene in addition to bonsai, that for many it can be a form of coping with ecological anxiety in the face of climate change and mass extinction. If that speculation is in fact true, I can only imagine the scene will continue to proliferate globally going forward.
 
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Most of the people on this site are pretty remarkable, but even numbers here will ebb and flow in a test of time.

How many times has someone asked you how to make a bonsai, yet didn't have the patience to continue the conversation?

How many people will give up vacation for their plants?

Don't most people treat their plants like subjects rather than as partners?

There are definitely a lot more people intrigued with bonsai than there was 50 years ago and the availability of materials and information has increased accordingly. I like it where it is with slow steady growth, all things being relative. I would not want to see a huge bonsai boom as it would signal a rapid decline as inevitable. But people being people, it is not likely to happen. It will continue to ebb and flow.

Interesting post, I am interested in what some of the 'big guns' have to say.
 
As an extremely newcomer to the hobby (approximately 6 months) I have high hopes that I can continue. I am rather frugal so the cost involved can at times make me balk but so far has not be prohibitive. I am worried about the time commitment since I have one child and may expand the family soon. I think slow growth is likely. If you see a huge boom it will likely be like poker was a couple decades back when it became hugely popular because of the massive pay days from the World Series of poker then it died off. The same would happen with bonsai and you would be left with a fraction of those that started.
 
In a lot of places that bonsai was totally unknown just few years ago now its growing a lot, bonsai will grow for sure! Ironically in Japan majority of young people doesnt seem very interested in Bonsai nowadays
 
Penumbra beat me to it, it will grow and decline as long as the human race has the luxury of fiddling with little trees. Currently seems to be booming here
 
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