ID help? Winged elm?

[Wires_Guy_wires]

Hey guys,
Found a bunch of corking branches which I believe to be winged elm.
Does anyone have the time to help me confirm their ID?


Branches in water, some cork can be seen.


Dormant buds.

Any help is greatly appreciated! I'm no deciduous person, so I'm pretty aware that winter cuttings might be wrong to do. All help to get them to root is welcome of course!

 

[Srt8madness]

I took a bunch of winter cuttings of what I thought was winged elm last year, turned out they were all sweetgum (liquidamber)

 

[19Mateo83]

I think you may have sweet gum on your hands. Here’s a winged elm terminal bud from my back yard.

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

I think you may have sweet gum on your hands. Here’s a winged elm terminal bud from my back yard.
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It's certainly not sweetgum but I understand why you'd say that. The spot where my new cuttings come from is a swamp that has a bunch of elms, alnus and oaks, sweetgum is a non native here and also not invasive at all. I also don't remember the leaves to be liquidamber like, they were green and oval shaped.

 

[19Mateo83]

Here’s a sweet gum terminal buds for comparison.

 

[19Mateo83]

They are almost indistinguishable from the bark. These two are in my side yard. Sweet gum on the left and winged elm on the right.

 

[KateM]

To rule out sweetgum you can crush a bud or scratch bark. Sweetgum would have aromatic rootbeer-like smell.

 

[Bonsai Nut]

Where'd you get it? The other option could be Cedar Elm (Ulmus crassifolia), which is the other winged tree in the US. However I tend to agree with the sweet gum ID due to the purple buds.

 

[Srt8madness]

OP is in Europe IIRC

 

[19Mateo83]

I missed that little detail @Srt8madness , in that case it looks like it could be a ulmus laevis, the European white elm. The buds look about right for it.

Ulmus laevis - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Shibui]

What we know here as Ulmus procera (English elm) also has wings on younger shoots. Some individuals have more wings than others. The wings tend to drop off as the twigs grow larger.

I have read there is some confusion about Ulmus procera, Ulmus minor and Ulmus glabra and which one is the real English elm. To the same end it is likely the trees we have growing as street trees in my area (the ones with winged twigs) could be any of the above.

Suffice to say some of the European elms do have this characteristic.

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

I'm getting schooled on Elms, thanks guys! This helps a lot.
Since I'm in mainland Europe, I think Shibui could be right.
I'll update this thread when I get any foliage!

The plants I got these from had serious cork on some older twigs, like a centimeter and a half of flaps on all sides of the 3-4 year old twigs. Yet the trunk was wing and cork free.