Saddler
Chumono
@M. Frary I have concave cutters and have used them with mild success.  Leaving the collar is something I have not tried, but I will next time the opportunity arises. I have some Japanese cut paste that I don't really like because once its on, its on until the wound heals or I spend the afternoon scraping it off.
				
			 
				 
 
		 
 
		 
 
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