How big is your Trunk

[Djtommy]

You got to let this stuff go Adair...no one cares...

If in the future Boon needs help setting up a show, tell him to give me a call and I can show him how to integrate the small trees with the larger trees for better interest without looking so boring. That way all the trees are seen as a whole and not separated by size. There is no need for that.

And no, I don't mean setting each large tree with a small tree looking pseudo Kokufu. By the end of the "smaller tree" room I was ready to take a long break. It was boring as hell.

At Kokufu, trees are separated by size actually. Big trees are downstairs, Chuhin and Shohin both in each a different room upstairs.
Small trees would get lost if displayed together with the bigger ones.

 

[Dav4]

Hey man, I'm just a noob here, and maybe you'll set me right, but it almost sounds like you've allowed yourself to become jaded to enjoy a nice tree when you see one.... I doubt that all the "small trees" were truly as boring as you make them sound.

I think Boon must be doing something right...

Why does it have to be such a hardline argument about the set up of trees at a show???

I think I could enjoy nice bonsai anywhere.

You sound like an overly picky/ anal home inspector...

Oops....I said anal...?

I posted a bunch of pictures of the trees displayed this year in this thread... https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/bay-island-bonsai-show-2018.31856/. You can judge them for yourself. Granted, it was my first time seeing the show in person, but I thought it was pretty good.

 

[just.wing.it]

I posted a bunch in this thread... https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/bay-island-bonsai-show-2018.31856/. You can judge them for yourself. Granted, it was my first time seeing the show in person, but I thought it was pretty good.

Oh great!
Thank you!
Lemme take a peek!

 

[just.wing.it]

I posted a bunch in this thread... https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/bay-island-bonsai-show-2018.31856/. You can judge them for yourself. Granted, it was my first time seeing the show in person, but I thought it was pretty good.

Well, from what I see there, it looks like I would have loved it.
It's hard for me to envision feeling board with observing good bonsai trees...

The trees are all nice in their own right, imo...

My gripe is with some of the stands.

I have a hang-up on stands.....I like minimal standage ....
Don't want to take away from the tree....
Same reason I don't like scrolls...

Tree alone, on minimal stand.... maybe a small accent plant...?...that's good for me.

I certainly wouldn't walk away from those trees feeling board....

I guess Al, triggered me with the "boring" comment, hahaha!!!

 

[Adair M]

I shouldn't need to know how its set yup, thats the point. Do it right and remove all doubt.



Good thing your not the promotional chair......it's obvious your not good at criticism.

I don’t think I’m the one having trouble with criticism, Al. Merely stating “it’s boring”, and “I could do better” is not criticism.

It’s a call for attention.

It’s kinda sad you have stooped so low as to have create threads like this with the double entendres, showing your backside, distributing insults to get your post count up so that you can get a special moniker on this forum.

You used to give helpful advice and guidance.

I don’t know what has happened to you (well, I am aware of your wife’s passing), but something has changed you into being a bitter jerk. It’s sad, really. The future of bonsai is in the hands of the newbies that you’re so fond of insulting. The task of us with experience should not be putting them down, but to raise them up.

We all choose our own paths...

 

[Tentakelaertje]

I'm a pretty reasonable guy, ask anyone whom I agree with....
You were on ignore with me for one simple reason. You like to be a smartass with out first checking your facts. I can debate with anyone and make a point as long as everyone stays on track. If you can't keep your facts straight and want to just go out on tangents then you look like your hiding something...usually that is a lack of focus or just not very intelligent about the subject matter.

This is the opening statement I made:



Read it again just for me please and then highlight the part where I asked for finished trees? None of my trees are finished and I bet a lot of Ryan's trees and Walter's trees are not finished. By finished do you mean dead? Thats the definition of a finished tree. I have many trees that I annually show and exhibit and many of them have had wire on them either that year or still have wire on them even during the show. If you knew the subject matter better you would have a better grasp on this process.



Just out of curiosity, would you exhibit that firethorn? Why (not)?

Have before:
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And would you display this one? Why (not)?

Have before:
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If you would, in which room would they be put?

Have no idea...don't belong to that group and rather than make a statement I know nothing about I will not make myself look stupid by trying to impress you with the thought process of a club I know nothing about.

The trunks on both are very fucking nice, that has gotta be said! These questions are not judgemental btw, just out of curiosity..

Thanks
Just so you know I am offended by using language like that on a public forum. It makes you look small. It is not necessary.

Blame it on the language barrier or whatever, but obviously the right words for 'finished tree' would be "You know, trees that are well established and fit the definition of what bonsai is. Ramified branches that are well defined. Residing in a bonsai pot and ready to be displayed in an exhibit."

Finished does technically mean dead yeah, you are totally right, but you knew what I meant, so no need to nitpick over it.

A lot of what I have learned on displays and such was inspired by your posts right here on Bnut. Pushing to go investigate. And thanks a lot for that. Seriously.

One of the reasons I asked whether you'd show those trees is cuz they got nice trunks. And nice pots and a cool outline. But I really wanted to know how you feel about the branches, and what "well defined" branches are, for that's quite a fuzzy thing to say. Maybe that is what you think was hiding?

Being little over 4 years or so in, plus other stuff going on, there's none from here to show. And seeing the BIB pics there is some room for improvement, yeah, defo. But sometimes you just gotta row with the peddles you got.

 

[Adair M]

Blame it on the language barrier or whatever, but obviously the right words for 'finished tree' would be "You know, trees that are well established and fit the definition of what bonsai is. Ramified branches that are well defined. Residing in a bonsai pot and ready to be displayed in an exhibit."

Finished does technically mean dead yeah, you are totally right, but you knew what I meant, so no need to nitpick over it.

A lot of what I have learned on displays and such was inspired by your posts right here on Bnut. Pushing to go investigate. And thanks a lot for that. Seriously.

One of the reasons I asked whether you'd show those trees is cuz they got nice trunks. And nice pots and a cool outline. But I really wanted to know how you feel about the branches, and what "well defined" branches are, for that's quite a fuzzy thing to say. Maybe that is what you think was hiding?

Being little over 4 years or so in, plus other stuff going on, there's none from here to show. And seeing the BIB pics there is some room for improvement, yeah, defo. But sometimes you just gotta row with the peddles you got.

I took a quick peek (again) at the pictures Dave posted of the last BIB show, and really, the pictures don’t do the trees justice. I mean, I’m very grateful Dave took them and posted them, but they’re quick snapshots, the lighting is marginal, the depth of field doesn’t show the true depth, etc.

There are about 25 members in BIB. And each year there are about 75 trees in the show. I’ve been to 4 of them now. I’m still amazed at what shows up every year!

 

[Smoke]

Blame it on the language barrier or whatever, but obviously the right words for 'finished tree' would be "You know, trees that are well established and fit the definition of what bonsai is. Ramified branches that are well defined. Residing in a bonsai pot and ready to be displayed in an exhibit."

Finished does technically mean dead yeah, you are totally right, but you knew what I meant, so no need to nitpick over it.

A lot of what I have learned on displays and such was inspired by your posts right here on Bnut. Pushing to go investigate. And thanks a lot for that. Seriously.

One of the reasons I asked whether you'd show those trees is cuz they got nice trunks. And nice pots and a cool outline. But I really wanted to know how you feel about the branches, and what "well defined" branches are, for that's quite a fuzzy thing to say. Maybe that is what you think was hiding?

Being little over 4 years or so in, plus other stuff going on, there's none from here to show. And seeing the BIB pics there is some room for improvement, yeah, defo. But sometimes you just gotta row with the peddles you got.

I can't / won't speak for you, but my trees ain't finished but their good enough to exhibit them where I exhibit them, in fact mine are superior to trees I exhibit them with, but not at the caliber I would expect at BIB, a show that I have been enjoying as Adair put it, "19 years".

You can take this to the bank, If I say the show was not what I have come to expect, then it was not what I have come to expect.

There are some here that have actually seen the show...with the exception of one, Adair, I have never seen anyone ever post and pictures of the exhibit here but me. Those that have recently looked at the pictures that Dav posted have said it was unbelievable. Well it was breathtaking as recently as 5 years ago...it has been losing luster since then...

IMHO....the talent in the Pacific Northwest is taking something away from this show. I have people that will talk to me and I will find out what it is....I suspect politics......

 

[Adair M]

I can't / won't speak for you, but my trees ain't finished but their good enough to exhibit them where I exhibit them, in fact mine are superior to trees I exhibit them with, but not at the caliber I would expect at BIB, a show that I have been enjoying as Adair put it, "19 years".

You can take this to the bank, If I say the show was not what I have come to expect, then it was not what I have come to expect.

There are some here that have actually seen the show...with the exception of one, Adair, I have never seen anyone ever post and pictures of the exhibit here but me. Those that have recently looked at the pictures that Dav posted have said it was unbelievable. Well it was breathtaking as recently as 5 years ago...it has been losing luster since then...

IMHO....the talent in the Pacific Northwest is taking something away from this show. I have people that will talk to me and I will find out what it is....I suspect politics......

The talent in the Pacific Nortwest is taking something away from this show?

Let’s see... that would be Ryan Neil, Michael Hagedorn, Matt Reel, Randy Knight, who else?

A couple years ago, Matt and Tyler Sherrard were at the show helping with member’s trees. Daisaku has been there for the past 4 years, at least, although he was not actually at set up this year. Perhaps his influence was missing. He did help prepare trees, but he had to leave the day of set up.

It is very true that the PacNW has a lot of bonsai talent. I guess I’m missing on how that would negatively affect BIB. Or is it you have seen better stuff coming from the PacNW, and BIB now looks second rate?