Half bareroot repot and the live vein root connection

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Here is something I have been pondering on and off. Routinely it is recommended to only bare root half your juniper when repotting then do the next half the next year. It is also said that on junipers there is a direct connection between specific root areas and the live veins flowing up the trunk. Now, what I am curious about is why not do it all at once? If you bare root one half the other section of foliage that relies on the untouched root section will grow well, but won't this seemingly have no effect on the other section of the tree? I'm sorry if this sounds confusing. For the record I have bare rooted several junipers and haven't killed them. One of them that went into good soil grew very vigorously after the full repot. Another one in shitty soil (turface mix) grew but not nearly as well.
 
Excellent question.
 
I think the time of year is important. We'll I know it's important. I bare root junipers too. Not in early spring. Late spring early summer after the plant has built up a good head of steam and growing vigorously. Never knew I wasn't supposed to bare root a juniper till I read it here almost 3 years ago. Right or not that is what happens here.
 
I often tell people to do a half bare root. But, I usually don't post on juniper threads, I tend to post on JBP threads. Pines store their strength in their roots. So the half bare root procedure leaves at least half of the tree's stored strength intact while it regrows and re-establishes the new root system.

Junipers, on the other hand, store their strength in their foliage. So, bare rooting a juniper doesn't weaken them as much as it would a pine. (That's also why you shouldn't ever reduce the foliage of a juniper by more than 50 percent at any one time.)

So, if you have a fine tree, why take chances? A half bare root procedure would be less stressful. If it's raw nursery stock, well, go for it.
 
No yamadori junipers round these parts so all of mine are from nursery stock.
You have no junipers Adair? I figured you for an all around conifer kind of guy. No?
 
Pines store their strength in their roots.

Junipers, on the other hand, store their strength in their foliage.

Of course, we know that this is a metaphysical euphamism describing how tolerant the specie is of organ removal and/or what organ regrows more vigorously.

Energy is photosynthate (carbohydrate). It is stored as starches, locally, in living cells throughout the tree, not in any one particular place.
 
image.jpgI have two junipers:

One is a Kishu shohin. I've got a new pot for it, and I'll be repotting it next week.

The second is a yamadori Western Juniper, that I'm in the process of grafting foliage onto. The grafts were placed last February. Last October, we began the process of removing them by scraping some bark and cambium from the mother stems. Hopefully, I'll be able to remove them from the mother trees next week. I repotted it last year to remove half the mountain soil and sand the collector put it in. I'll be repotting it next week to do the other side of the "half bare root", and change the angle to be much more upright. Lots of deadwood, ribbon style.image.jpg
 
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Mike,

I mostly have JBP. Maybe a dozen. A JRP. Two JWP. A couple azalea, a chojubai, a couple tridents, a couple zelkova, and a couple Japanese Maple, and a yamadori Ponderosa Pine, in addition to the two Junipers.

At this point, I'm going for quality rather than quantity.

I need a few more to fill out the shohin stand.
 
Nice question Kennedy, i'll give you a long answer from my experience. Like Adair I study with Boon and am a firm believer in bare rooting half or 1/3 of the root ball at a time. First off, let's clarify that with relatively young junipers I think it doesn't matter as much if you bare root the whole thing or not. I've bare rooted over 100 younger Kishu cuttings and did not lose one. Now, on the other end of the spectrum let's talk about Junipers that are collected from the mountains which are hundreds to maybe thousands of years old. When collecting up in the Sierra or Rocky Mountains you are trying to get a dense root mat or root ball that is connected to the trunk. These are often call "pocket trees" because their root systems develop in cracks and crevices in the rock. You can often get under these root masses and scoop the tree up with a dense root mass which is all matted together. When you get home, you want to put that dense root mass into pumice and tie the tree down so it does not move. You should not bare root any section at this time, just put the root mass in the box with pumice around and roots will start growing from that dense root mass.

After say 2-5 years depending, you repot the tree and you should bare root 1/2-1/3. I think that many people are not actually bare rooting when they think they are bare rooting. Bare rooting means combing out a section of the roots until you go back all the way to the trunk. This is harder than it sounds. To do this you can use and combo of - chop sticks, bent tweezers and a root hook. When you are bare rooting the section, it is causing stress to this section. No matter how careful you are the dense mat of roots is being torn or cut and you are losing a significant portion of the fine feeder roots. If you were to bare root 100% of an old collected tree, the stress would very likely may be too much. While I don't know this, it's possible that Mycorrhiza could have something to do with it as well. Maybe keeping 1/2 to 2/3 of root with Mycorrhiza helps the trees to stay healthy. If you are always leaving a section of roots untouched then that section will have an increase in mycorrhiza-but I could be wrong about this. Boon started working with a Western Juniper collector several years ago. The first year the collector delivered approx. 40 western junipers to Boon and they all died. When Boon took the boxes apart and examined the root ball, the trees were all bare rooted right after being collected. The next year Boon requested that the collector try and get as much roots as possible and not do anything more to the root ball. The next few years Boon got something like 98% to survive.

To answer your other question, it's not always extremely easy to tell exactly what roots go to what section of the trunk. However if you have one distinctive live vein, you can just bare root 1/2 to 1/3 of the roots that feed that live vein.

Sierra after removing the outside of the wood box.
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Here's a pic of my hand bare rooting one of my Sierras. As you can see it's difficult to tell what roots connect to what veins.
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Here's a before on another one of my Sierra's. You can see the area I previously bare rooted in good soil and black looking native soil on the right.

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Same section(even though difficult to tell)-slightly diff angle after bare root. All roots are combed out now. Notice how much of the root mass is removed from combing everything out.

image_zps684863b5.jpg
 
Nice question Kennedy, i'll give you a long answer from my experience. Like Adair I study with Boon and am a firm believer in bare rooting half or 1/3 of the root ball at a time. First off, let's clarify that with relatively young junipers I think it doesn't matter as much if you bare root the whole thing or not. I've bare rooted over 100 younger Kishu cuttings and did not lose one. Now, on the other end of the spectrum let's talk about Junipers that are collected from the mountains which are hundreds to maybe thousands of years old. When collecting up in the Sierra or Rocky Mountains you are trying to get a dense root mat or root ball that is connected to the trunk. These are often call "pocket trees" because their root systems develop in cracks and crevices in the rock. You can often get under these root masses and scoop the tree up with a dense root mass which is all matted together. When you get home, you want to put that dense root mass into pumice and tie the tree down so it does not move. You should not bare root any section at this time, just put the root mass in the box with pumice around and roots will start growing from that dense root mass.

After say 2-5 years depending, you repot the tree and you should bare root 1/2-1/3. I think that many people are not actually bare rooting when they think they are bare rooting. Bare rooting means combing out a section of the roots until you go back all the way to the trunk. This is harder than it sounds. To do this you can use and combo of - chop sticks, bent tweezers and a root hook. When you are bare rooting the section, it is causing stress to this section. No matter how careful you are the dense mat of roots is being torn or cut and you are losing a significant portion of the fine feeder roots. If you were to bare root 100% of an old collected tree, the stress would very likely may be too much. While I don't know this, it's possible that Mycorrhiza could have something to do with it as well. Maybe keeping 1/2 to 2/3 of root with Mycorrhiza helps the trees to stay healthy. If you are always leaving a section of roots untouched then that section will have an increase in mycorrhiza-but I could be wrong about this. Boon started working with a Western Juniper collector several years ago. The first year the collector delivered approx. 40 western junipers to Boon and they all died. When Boon took the boxes apart and examined the root ball, the trees were all bare rooted right after being collected. The next year Boon requested that the collector try and get as much roots as possible and not do anything more to the root ball. The next few years Boon got something like 98% to survive.

To answer your other question, it's not always extremely easy to tell exactly what roots go to what section of the trunk. However if you have one distinctive live vein, you can just bare root 1/2 to 1/3 of the roots that feed that live vein.

Sierra after removing the outside of the wood box.
image_zpsf952d409.jpg


Here's a pic of my hand bare rooting one of my Sierras. As you can see it's difficult to tell what roots connect to what veins.
image_zps675df61e.jpg


Here's a before on another one of my Sierra's. You can see the area I previously bare rooted in good soil and black looking native soil on the right.

image_zps8adbc91a.jpg


Same section(even though difficult to tell)-slightly diff angle after bare root. All roots are combed out now. Notice how much of the root mass is removed from combing everything out.

image_zps684863b5.jpg
That looks like one of your trees I helped you repot in the workshop. They're looking great!
 
Thanks for the information and pics. I guess when I started the thread I had in mind the initial repotting of nursery stock. I didn't think much about yamadori or cuttings. With cuttings I assumed you could work the roots more because they wouldn't be a tangled mess that would be hurt trying to comb them out. I haven't collected any trees yet, butter advice I read was exactly like you described. Use as much as the original rootball as you can, pot it in pumice, then in several years (at least two for most species) you can work the roots.

It's interesting to see healthy juniper roots. They don't really look like any of the deciduous plants I've worked on, so it's been hard to tell what they're supposed to look like when healthy.
 
So, if the tree dies, you have evidence!

There I am, trying to cut the root at the correct angle.
 
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