M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
Gooneygoogoo!
First time you realized you accomplished bonsai?
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barrosinc
Masterpiece
We are talking thongs here... right?
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
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michaelj
Chumono
For those of you who have displayed bonsai trees at quality shows, but still hold the opinion that you have not yet "accomplished bonsai", what exactly would it take for you to consider yourself having accomplished bonsai?
I mean, seriously, if Harry Hirao never accomplished bonsai, then there's no such thing as bonsai.
I mean, seriously, if Harry Hirao never accomplished bonsai, then there's no such thing as bonsai.
cmeg1
Imperial Masterpiece
Ok,I am the guy who grows all these Zelkova from seed..... And calls it bonsai
,but any way after this trees first defoliation of the season I saw something I never saw before,a somewhat artistic flow in my tree that I did not really expect or try.I just simply chose a new front and there it was.
It was cool and I said ,wow, my tree is teaching me something.
,but any way after this trees first defoliation of the season I saw something I never saw before,a somewhat artistic flow in my tree that I did not really expect or try.I just simply chose a new front and there it was.It was cool and I said ,wow, my tree is teaching me something.
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Smoke
Ignore-Amus
While Harry was a good friend and I wish to not speak ill of the passed, Harry is not exactly the person to compare bonsai in the world to. He seldom wired trees and his canopies were never really finished in the true "bonsai sense" of the word.
Which brings us to this..... The title...
First time you realized you accomplished bonsai?
So maybe the definition of bonsai needs to be more clearly defined. In this case, does bonsai mean some branches wired, in a sort of artistic shape and planted into an appropriate bonsai pot.
...or..does it mean a tree thats been properly grown and cared for without trunk flaws and scars with a flaring spreading nebari, and a ramification that speaks of age.
Cmeg1's mental model of zelcova is beginning to allow him to see progress in the trees he has grown. He can call it bonsai, and he should. Maybe he feels that at this time he has accomplished bonsai.
For me personally I would consider this accomplishing bonsai for a zelcova.
I didn't post this tree to disparage Cmeg. I just posted it to explain my feelings about when I consider a tree bonsai. I thought I made that feeling known here, but maybe not.
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
I think Smoke is correct in that the answer to this question relies on one's definition of 'bonsai'.
For some that might be a masterpiece tree that can compete in a top notch show competition.
For others that might be bringing a pre bonsai to a somewhat "finished" state.
Still others might consider it just keeping a tree in a pot alive for a few years as doing bonsai.
For myself, have I accomplished bonsai? I have not gotten a tree through to a "finished" or close to finished state, so in that sense, no I have not accomplished bonsai.
But I have repotted many trees and gotten them to survive, Ive overwintered trees and got them to survive. I've gotten trees to survive the heat of the winter. Ive pulled trees through a weakened state, either from disease or the ravages of last winter or a combination of both. Ive wired and pruned few trees. I have kept a few trees alive for 3-4 years and I've killed some along the way. I have begun to see not just in my minds eye but, physically in real life what some of my trees will look like as I have worked them toward that goal.
We tell newer people all the time that all of those things are part of doing bonsai; so are they not part of bonsai as we know it?
So in those examples, I can say yes I have accomplished those things as part of doing bonsai, but I have not gotten there completely yet and there is still much to do and learn.
For some that might be a masterpiece tree that can compete in a top notch show competition.
For others that might be bringing a pre bonsai to a somewhat "finished" state.
Still others might consider it just keeping a tree in a pot alive for a few years as doing bonsai.
For myself, have I accomplished bonsai? I have not gotten a tree through to a "finished" or close to finished state, so in that sense, no I have not accomplished bonsai.
But I have repotted many trees and gotten them to survive, Ive overwintered trees and got them to survive. I've gotten trees to survive the heat of the winter. Ive pulled trees through a weakened state, either from disease or the ravages of last winter or a combination of both. Ive wired and pruned few trees. I have kept a few trees alive for 3-4 years and I've killed some along the way. I have begun to see not just in my minds eye but, physically in real life what some of my trees will look like as I have worked them toward that goal.
We tell newer people all the time that all of those things are part of doing bonsai; so are they not part of bonsai as we know it?
So in those examples, I can say yes I have accomplished those things as part of doing bonsai, but I have not gotten there completely yet and there is still much to do and learn.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
That is a wonderful image.
The dark stand, moss bits, the grey tree.
Where did that pot come from?
It is awesome!
Sorce
tahoe
Sapling
i thought i accomplished bonsai the first time i came home from a show, looked at my trees and thought well, they don't completely suck.
now ... not so much
now ... not so much
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