Dumb question...since it broke can I just tear it off or should I prune lower down
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dick benbow
Omono
First of all, don't be so hard on yourself. Nobody here came fully knowledgeable. It takes time and effort. As far as being a student, the more you learn the more you need to learn.
Looks like you have a bud just under the break, so that's where next year's growth will develop.
Go ahead and remove....
Looks like you have a bud just under the break, so that's where next year's growth will develop.
Go ahead and remove....
edprocoat
Masterpiece
Darlene that new bud below, as mentioned by Dick, is set for next year. If you know this specie is not susceptible to die back at a cut off area then trim it off. If it is the type that dies back I would leave it to its own devices as it would be better than cutting it back now and having it die back further.
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edprocoat
Masterpiece
Part was left in the shipping box...part remains still intact slightly...but defiantly broke. Should I just finish tearing it off. Or...should I prune down lower?
Totally such a dumb question...so apologizing for my ignorance.
It defiantly broke, well it definitely taught you a lesson ....
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0soyoung
Imperial Masterpiece
I would trim it off because it will take some effort to keep the broken portion alive and I don't think the resulting esthetic would be at all appealing if successful.
Despite the fact that you've pretty much said all that needs be said about it, Ed, I am in a pedandic mood right now. The following is your punishment for trying to be serious, reasonable, and polite
.Auxin exuded by the buds is the cellular signal in the plant that the branch is still alive. Regardless of the specie, a deciduous branch will die back to the most distal bud (i.e., one farthest from the roots on that shoot). So the shoot will be fine with just that 'new bud below that is set for next year', unless the bud is killed by freezing or etc. (in which case die-back will progress down the shoot to the next bud).
On the other hand, some species such as hornbeams can transport auxin upward in the phloem to keep the only downward, cell to cell, life signalling, Polar Auxin Transport flow going in the portion of the twig below a break but above the most distal bud. These are specie you probably think to not be susceptible to die-back.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
I would trim it off because it will take some effort to keep the broken portion alive and I don't think the resulting esthetic would be at all appealing if successful.
Despite the fact that you've pretty much said all that needs be said about it, Ed, I am in a pedandic mood right now. The following is your punishment for trying to be serious, reasonable, and polite
Auxin exuded by the buds is the cellular signal in the plant that the branch is still alive. Regardless of the specie, a deciduous branch will die back to the most distal bud (i.e., one farthest from the roots on that shoot). So the shoot will be fine with just that 'new bud below that is set for next year', unless the bud is killed by freezing or etc. (in which case die-back will progress down the shoot to the next bud).
On the other hand, some species such as hornbeams can transport auxin upward in the phloem to keep the only downward, cell to cell, life signalling, Polar Auxin Transport flow going in the portion of the twig below a break but above the most distal bud. These are specie you probably think to not be susceptible to die-back.
Ouch! My poor brain! All the big words!
Thanks. It really took some time to get those two paragraphs deciphered. 4 times through. Pretty tecknikel stuff there.
Skinnygoomba
Shohin
Is it possible at this point to stand it back up and wrap it in paraffin tape?
I did that for a JBP that I snapped in half and it is still good/green weeks later.
I did that for a JBP that I snapped in half and it is still good/green weeks later.
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
First of all, don't be so hard on yourself. Nobody here came fully knowledgeable. It takes time and effort. As far as being a student, the more you learn the more you need to learn.
Looks like you have a bud just under the break, so that's where next year's growth will develop.
Go ahead and remove....
Thanks Dick...yes, a student I am still.
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
Not so sure about die back on Virginia creeper. Hm-mmm
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
It defiantly broke, well it definitely taught you a lesson ....
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Bawahahahahahaha yes..."definitely" taught me a lesson.
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
I would trim it off because it will take some effort to keep the broken portion alive and I don't think the resulting esthetic would be at all appealing if successful.
Despite the fact that you've pretty much said all that needs be said about it, Ed, I am in a pedandic mood right now. The following is your punishment for trying to be serious, reasonable, and polite
Auxin exuded by the buds is the cellular signal in the plant that the branch is still alive. Regardless of the specie, a deciduous branch will die back to the most distal bud (i.e., one farthest from the roots on that shoot). So the shoot will be fine with just that 'new bud below that is set for next year', unless the bud is killed by freezing or etc. (in which case die-back will progress down the shoot to the next bud).
On the other hand, some species such as hornbeams can transport auxin upward in the phloem to keep the only downward, cell to cell, life signalling, Polar Auxin Transport flow going in the portion of the twig below a break but above the most distal bud. These are specie you probably think to not be susceptible to die-back.
So when a bud is set...unless of cold it won't die back beyond that point. Interesting...
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
Not sure how long it's been broken...though...you made me recall breaking a branch off my cherry. I hot glued it into place...and it's thrived. But, that was me gluing it at the time it broke. I don't have the tape you mention...but I do have the glue. We shall see. Thanks...worth a shot I guess. Though honestly...that bud just past the break helped me deal with it rationally.
Edit:Super glued it...Geesh not hot glue. But if it looks to be dying...I'll cut it back as discussed.
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Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
Bonsai understatement of the year.
Once you get beyond the absolute basics of keeping a tree alive and repotting I know I feel pretty overwhelmed sometimes.
bonsaibp
Omono
It's a Virginia Creeper don't even worry just cut below the break and you'll be fine. They grow like weeds and theres a better than even chance you'll cut below that at some point anyhow.
There is almost never a need to worry about a little broken shoot.
For future reference unless you want to create shari its almost always better to cut rather then tear off a shoot.
There is almost never a need to worry about a little broken shoot.
For future reference unless you want to create shari its almost always better to cut rather then tear off a shoot.
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Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
Thanks Bob...I didn't wig out...left the seller positive feedback before I even mentioned it's arrival on the forum. It was a tender shoot as you say. I honestly think...it did me a favor...and will cut it off. (My fear if I cut it if it would push the bud to pushing growth as we head into winter with it coming from such a warm climate.)
Studying it...I think I would prefer to develop that other bud that was lower. Growing a leader off to the side more away from the roots to weep once ramification is built. (If that makes sense) Along with potting it a bit deeper in the pot. I like the roots...but, it's overpowering the entire tree. Leaving a bit unearthed...but hiding some under the substrate will give me a better looking tree long run. Spring will be fun with this one.
