Cypress sitting on a cliff ROR, help needed.

Come on, you cannot use a hypothetical as a disclaimer. The Golden Gate Bridge gets worse winds than thing did/does and it's still standing.
Vance,
You're right, but didn't the engineers at the time review the other suspension bridge designs as well? The Tacoma disaster made them review all suspension design theory at that time and that is when they took a closer look at the sympathetic wave form theory to figure how the failure was caused ( a point which I think hadn't come up before that time ( I certainly don't remember any earlier bridge failures of this type )).
 
I know all about that bridge. While it was flawed, it wasn't an overlooked detail that made it flawed. It was a new situation that lead to it being a case study for bridge aerodynamics and resonance among other things. It definitely didn't fall apart after the first car drove over it.

I try not to confuse unusual unforeseen circumstances for shoddy work and vice versa.
 
@Vance Wood Please forgive the sled as my backdrop, it was the only thing close by that was big enough and the tree is a bit of a beast to be moving around as I just watered it.


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@LeonardB your recap of what I want to do is in essence correct, I am just adding a few steps to that for safety's sake.
Just to make sure I understand; you have this tree planted on a stone buried under the soil? The tree looks OK so far I hope it continues as well.
 
@LeonardB your recap of what I want to do is in essence correct, I am just adding a few steps to that for safety's sake.
Sadler,
I am going through the same process myself but am years away from having long enough roots to encompass the stone I have in mind.
Over a long enough time frame the roots harden off I know but do they develop bark like the trunk? And to fatten them up enough to hang on and over the rock, do you super stimulate growth of the plant? Since the plant will just be using the end parts of the root mass, what are you looking for to give you the go ahead to lengthen them more? Is it the vigor of the tree? I wondered whether that is a false indicator since you could have a sick tree for months without telltale symptoms. Also, would you need a sacrificial branch to push the kind of development in the roots we have been envisioning??
Regards,
Leonard
 
Leonard, I feel you are overthinking this. I have the whole tree and rock buried under 20 litres of my standard bonsai soil mix. The tree is only secured to the rock as it would be to a pot. I have used masking tape to hold the root ends close to the rock and to help the roots go around the sharp corner.

I will let the roots find there own path around and down the rock. I will do this by watering like I normally would this year. next year I will water the tree 20-30% less then I normally would and probably even a little less the following years after that. Using so much soil will stop it from getting to dry and I will soak it occasionally. I will make the roots chase the water down to the bottom. I might go so far as to put a ring of some sort around the trunk and only water and fertilize into the ring to keep the water and Fert as close to the rock as possible. The roots will follow the water.

After 3-5 years of letting the roots grow as they choose (with me nudging them in the direction I want) there should be plenty of roots near where I want to choose from. If not, I'll leave it another couple years (I will dig the dirt off the top regardless to lighten the weight, pruning sideways growing roots as I go until I am near the bottom or the roots get too small). If I do have the roots I need I will pull the tree and rock out, root prune any unwanted roots, tie down the remaining roots with cotton string and wrap with moss and plastic. I'll put the tree back into its container (maybe the ground if I can) sitting so the top of the rock is just above soil level.

If the roots don't adhere in another 3-5 years I will break out my selection of diamond bits and blades and make grooves/indents along where the roots are growing. When I put it back in soil I'll wrap as last time and I will put a very large board underneath with a slot cut cut into the center that will run parallel to the rock making the roots grow under the rock and through the slot. I might even put a thin metal plate flush against the underside of the board that I can close off the slot with after a couple years to sever the roots with and get them to continue growing to the other side. But we might have nanobots I can get to do it by then.


Everyone thinks I'm ridiculous for trying this, and nothing wrong with that. I consider myself ridiculous at times too! I am well overdrive years, a hundred hours and a $1000 in on trying to make a perfectly clear sphere of ice. It's less about the end result then learning the techniques.
 
Leonard, I feel you are overthinking this. I have the whole tree and rock buried under 20 litres of my standard bonsai soil mix. The tree is only secured to the rock as it would be to a pot. I have used masking tape to hold the root ends close to the rock and to help the roots go around the sharp corner.

I will let the roots find there own path around and down the rock. I will do this by watering like I normally would this year. next year I will water the tree 20-30% less then I normally would and probably even a little less the following years after that. Using so much soil will stop it from getting to dry and I will soak it occasionally. I will make the roots chase the water down to the bottom. I might go so far as to put a ring of some sort around the trunk and only water and fertilize into the ring to keep the water and Fert as close to the rock as possible. The roots will follow the water.

After 3-5 years of letting the roots grow as they choose (with me nudging them in the direction I want) there should be plenty of roots near where I want to choose from. If not, I'll leave it another couple years (I will dig the dirt off the top regardless to lighten the weight, pruning sideways growing roots as I go until I am near the bottom or the roots get too small). If I do have the roots I need I will pull the tree and rock out, root prune any unwanted roots, tie down the remaining roots with cotton string and wrap with moss and plastic. I'll put the tree back into its container (maybe the ground if I can) sitting so the top of the rock is just above soil level.

If the roots don't adhere in another 3-5 years I will break out my selection of diamond bits and blades and make grooves/indents along where the roots are growing. When I put it back in soil I'll wrap as last time and I will put a very large board underneath with a slot cut cut into the center that will run parallel to the rock making the roots grow under the rock and through the slot. I might even put a thin metal plate flush against the underside of the board that I can close off the slot with after a couple years to sever the roots with and get them to continue growing to the other side. But we might have nanobots I can get to do it by then.


Everyone thinks I'm ridiculous for trying this, and nothing wrong with that. I consider myself ridiculous at times too! I am well overdrive years, a hundred hours and a $1000 in on trying to make a perfectly clear sphere of ice. It's less about the end result then learning the techniques.
Sadler,
Trying not to overthink it but can take as long as I want to get desired results.
I don't think you are ridiculous, just certain of what you want to accomplish. There may be setbacks ( welcome to Life 101 ), but those lessons learned make the goal that much more sweet.
I was trying two methods myself and stone was the first ( with the holes drilled and pockets chiseled for muck to hold plants as well ). The second was to make stone out of cement ( see Kimura's demo at the World Bonsai Convention this year for an example ), but that could take awhile to master the technique.
Keep up the good work. Can't wait to see the follow up stories and photo's.
Leonard
 
That's the ticket, knowing time is on your side. As my wife likes to remind me, the days are long and the years are short. How much more will you or I know in 3-5 years when we work the trees again? Here is the container I put the tree in, to give you a better idea of what I am doing right now. IMG_2225.JPGIMG_2226.JPG


I look forward to seeing what you are doing and your concrete rocks. I made some pots out of concrete but they were making my trees sickly. I didn't know about soaking them for a couple months before using them. I might try again. Maybe try and build a fancy rock that isn't so "boring" lol.
 
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