Collected Virginia Pine

[Dav4]

I'd move the tree into more sun and start feeding lightly but regularly... fish emulsion weekly would be fine +/- some solid organic feed on the soil surface. This tree is growing now and needs more sun and feed.

 

[theta]

Yeah, that's a nice little clump of dirt you had there. Seems like around here in GA our red clay where these grow just falls right off everything when you pick them up.

 

[River's Edge]

I'd move the tree into more sun and start feeding lightly but regularly... fish emulsion weekly would be fine +/- some solid organic feed on the soil surface. This tree is growing now and needs more sun and feed.

Ditto

 

[ohiogrown]

Update as of today. Seems to be doing really well. Gives me a ton of hope for next spring. I know where there are a few more like this.

 

[GGB]

Couldn't get this tree out of my head. Went out and bought one from a local nursery but the non-stop rain here is making it look awful, hope it lives to see re-pot. Have you found it to be a single flush pine? I assumed two but mine hasn't moved past the first push

 

[Adair M]

Virginia pine are a two flush pine if you decandle them. This tree, having just been collected, wasn’t decandled. Which is the right way to go.

 

[jeanluc83]

I have no experience with Virginia pines but I know JBP will only have a second flush if forced (by decandling) or if they are very strong. Pitch pine are the same way. I'm sure Virginia pines are similar.

 

[GGB]

@Adair M and @jeanluc83 wow.... I feel really stupid this week. I assumed single and double flush were directly related to how many pushes of growth a pine would produce (on its own) in a season. ie white pine can't be decandled because it only pushes growth one time. This whole time I've been calling loblolly pine a triple flush pine because it experiences three distinct round of growth with new candles. yikes

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

@Adair M and @jeanluc83 wow.... I feel really stupid this week. I assumed single and double flush were directly related to how many pushes of growth a pine would produce (on its own) in a season. ie white pine can't be decandled because it only pushes growth one time. This whole time I've been calling loblolly pine a triple flush pine because it experiences three distinct round of growth with new candles. yikes

On their own, all pines will produce a single flush and sit lazy all summer. Some can be forced to produce a second.

 

[GGB]

@Brian Van Fleet I have more or less noticed that. But I have a bunch of loblolly pine right now and since spring they have pushed 6" candles (in may) 5.5" candles (late june) and currently have 4" candles extending. I'm guessing they'll wind up being 5" but since all this rain i don;t know. I haven't decandled these, they are all extremely young, I'm just observing and testing right now

 

[DirkvanDreven]

On their own, all pines will produce a single flush and sit lazy all summer. Some can be forced to produce a second.

On Cyprus I've seen pines (free growing) that I think were Alepo Pines, P. Halapensis. They actually have three flushes of growthi. the Mediterranean climat. Maybe @my nellie can confirm?

 

[my nellie]

Thank you @DirkvanDreven
What I can tell is that I know that Ofer Grunwald (FB) has been experimenting along with Juan Andrade on P. halepensis (or Mediterranean red pine)
He is referring to them having three growth cycles. One in February (strong growth), one in June (strong growth, too) and one in September (weak growth)

I am yet to see that... I bought two months ago one seedling almost 5 y.o. that I am growing now and my experience that it back budded amazingly after candles were removed.
There are here two threads https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/italian-stone-pine-pinus-pinea-from-nursery-stock.22187/ and https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/aleppo-pine.24364/ where an article by O. Grunwald is linked but unfortunately the link is no more responding.

 

[petegreg]

... trying to attach some pdf files.

 

[my nellie]

Thank you so very much Peter!
I have spent quite a lot of time searching for this document (I mean O.G.'s article) but I could not find it in my files.

 

[petegreg]

So it works, you're welcome, Alexandra.

 

[PeaceLoveBonsai]

Virginia pine are a two flush pine if you decandle them. This tree, having just been collected, wasn’t decandled. Which is the right way to go.

Have you worked with a lot of Virginia pines? I’m looking for more information on single vs double flush on V pines. My understanding was that the jury was still out on whether they consistently pushed good second growth after decandling. Would be interested in your findings.

 

[Adair M]

Have you worked with a lot of Virginia pines? I’m looking for more information on single vs double flush on V pines. My understanding was that the jury was still out on whether they consistently pushed good second growth after decandling. Would be interested in your findings.

I don’t currently have one. I used to. It would act very much like a Japanese Red Pine when decandled.

The reasons I don’t work with them is they rarely have interesting trunks. They grow thin trunks. And the needles twist. Which seems to make them look untidy. You most often see them as literati.

 

[PeaceLoveBonsai]

I don’t currently have one. I used to. It would act very much like a Japanese Red Pine when decandled.

The reasons I don’t work with them is they rarely have interesting trunks. They grow thin trunks. And the needles twist. Which seems to make them look untidy. You most often see them as literati.

??????

 

[Vance Wood]

I posted on your Facebook thread already. I’m not going to repeat myself.

Come on Adair; now if we want to hear your response (and we do) to this, we have to go find someone else's FB page to read it? Come on, if you're going to comment here comment here.

 

[Adair M]

Come on Adair; now if we want to hear your response (and we do) to this, we have to go find someone else's FB page to read it? Come on, if you're going to comment here comment here.

Lol, sorry Vance, that was a while ago. I had posted on his Facebook page, and then I come here, see the same tree with the same questions.