Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
That's what they do that's why you cannot let them run wild, you have to control the tree or it will control you.
Collected American Larch
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mattspinniken
Omono
I plan to assert my dominance over the tree in about a month.
Also wanted to show this that fall collection has worked with nearly 100% success with Larch and Thuja. This tree was collected about 18 months ago or so.
Wilson
Masterpiece
A long time artist from Montréal named David Easterbrook has always done fall collection with ancient larch.I plan to assert my dominance over the tree in about a month.
Also wanted to show this that fall collection has worked with nearly 100% success with Larch and Thuja. This tree was collected about 18 months ago or so.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
I would start asserting my dominance now, there is no reason not to that I know of. I would first remove all of those shoots that are growing straight up and all of the shoots that are growing straight down. Why would you let this kind of growth achieve dominance at this stage of the game, and they will? It seems with some trees we leave them alone at our expense. Leave only the shoots growing to the sides. These are the ones that are useful from a design perspective the others just use up energy. Once you start getting growth, and budding on the inside of things you will need to chase growth back and not let it get lose. Do you know how to pinch a larch??I plan to assert my dominance over the tree in about a month.
Also wanted to show this that fall collection has worked with nearly 100% success with Larch and Thuja. This tree was collected about 18 months ago or so.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
Oh. Oh. I do.
A very cool gentleman I know living in Troy Michigan showed me!
Now what was his name again? Vince or Vaughn, oh yeah! It was Vance.
mattspinniken
Omono
I guess I should clarify, I would actually love to wire this today but I can't because I am going to be gone from my trees until then. Its not for horticultural reasons that I am waiting a month.
I actually do know how to pinch Larch I find that Larch is one of the most intuative and easy to understand trees for bonsai after you get some experience with it. Although I have mostly just let this tree become healthy after collecting, I think if you look at the collected pic compared to now a lot of good usable foliage has been grown. Mostly pruning back the auxin tips to encourage interior growth. When I wire and prune it back this spring I will cut back straight up and down branches as well as "chicken feet" branches and hopefully set it in a good direction. Its not a amazing specimen but I love the bark and the tree is very old for its size, along with 1 or 2 others I think/hope it will make a nice slab planting in the future.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
Are you coming to the meeting today?
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
I know nothing of pinching them back...I'm going to have to read up on the how to's.
Soldano666
Omono
Found this thread and was curious on fall collection. @mattspiniken i read lenzs book several times, the point they go from green to chartreuse, yours looked quite green still, and he does not specify bare rooting at fall collection, theres some hints but he doesn't come out and say so directly. Do you root prune as hard as we can get away with in the spring? He also mentions feeding to get it to color up after fall collection. Can you set me on the right path so I can go get me some late Sept/early oct this year. Seems like your doing it right.
cole morton
Yamadori
Nice trees!
mattspinniken
Omono
Thanks for digging into this, I happen to think fall or more accurately late summer is a great time to collect Larch. I have collected a lot of Larch now and only a couple have not survived collection, but guess when they were collected.... in the spring. I have not yet lost a fall collected Larch including some very old trees. I'm starting to think fall is better.
I think the most important thing is the after care, after it is collected it needs to be protected from the wind and sun. I think starting Labor Day until about sept 17 is prime time. It gives them a few months of root growth before winter, Oct would be very dangerous here.
Root pruning.... no different than spring but I would say get as much viable root as you can, even snaking it into the training pot if you have to. I don't 100% bare root but I use a hose and get most of the field soil out and then really carefully and thourghly chopstick in good soil around the root ball. Also really make sure the tree is secure in the pot this seems to make a good difference in recovery time. Use sifted soil not to big or small. I do a light fert 2-3 weeks after collection. Fall collected Larch bud out later the next spring but are very happy by June the next year.
The hard part will be finding some non telephone pole straight Larch. It is hard to beat Larch for a bonsai subject.
Fall collection also works for Thuja here and they are both extremely cold hardy trees so be careful applying this to other species. Also I'm going to sell the subject tree of this thread if anyone is interested shoot me a Pm.
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Soldano666
Omono
Well I stumbled across these and had to either take em now or lose them to the excavator. I'm a little early but I feel better knowing your success with fall digging. I have no doubt I got enough root. My plan was to heel them into the ground til spring, but that might be too much trauma.... Root disturbance in fall and then again in spring.... Ive yet to lose one to spring collection, bareroot, cut hard, and washed out rootballs, so ill take it extra careful with these, and provide some extra aftercare since I'm a little early.
I have an unlimited amount of them to go back for just a couple hours north. as long as I stay ahead of the excavator into fall I think we'll be okay. Thanks for your help matt
I have an unlimited amount of them to go back for just a couple hours north. as long as I stay ahead of the excavator into fall I think we'll be okay. Thanks for your help matt
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LanceMac10
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Soldano666
Omono
Already seen em, such a killer tree
am on the hunt for them, if not the " from wild" one at least.
