Casual Bonsai Hobby is that possible?

I'm not saying you can call it bonsai just because it's in a pot.
I'm saying that allot of us are giving that targeted attention you talk about to dozens or even hundreds of trees. Cut that down to single digits, though, and pot for leeway in watering, and suddenly you're expending allot less effort, and NOW it's a casual thing vs a lifestyle thing.

At a half dozen trees you're repotting one or two a year. Slightly bigger pot with a little bit of organics in your soil and now you're watering every other day, potentially less. Grow and prune in season like we normally would, develop the tree like we normally would.

If you're getting comparable results, does it NOT count as bonsai just because you don't panic about going away for the weekend? Of course not. Are those trees likely to be great bonsai? Probably not, but they can still be considered bonsai.
I think you just described what the OP is doing, unsuccessfully. What I am saying is that bonsai require attention, just as pets do. You can leave your dog and/or cat alone in the house or yard for a week with a bowl of water and food. Doesn't mean they're going to live the entire week without refilling the bowls at some point. They rely on you, simple as that. It's not a lifestyle thing. It is a responsibility thing.
 
Interesting post, but back to OPs question. How casual is casual? Casual with time on your hands? Casual and passionate? Casual and distracted? Casual and busy with work or family? There is no one answer.
What is your planned involvement? Do you want a bonsai garden? Do you want just a few trees? Do you want to start from seed or cutting, or at the other end of the scale, do you want to take care of a few nearly finished plants?
Another thing, if you come into this with no horticultural experience, you have a lot of catching up to do. If you come into this with decades of experience caring for plants, it is a completely different matter, though it doesn't let you off the hook. There will likely be things that need to be unlearned and new practices and procedures learned.

But if you are here looking and asking, you are at least on a track that could lead to success in some fashion.
 
Another thing, if you come into this with no horticultural experience, you have a lot of catching up to do. If you come into this with decades of experience caring for plants, it is a completely different matter,

Ahh! I always forget some are "New to Flora", as well.

Better late than never.. regarding the joys of plants.
 
This is a major reason I rebel against the sometimes nonchalant attitude that you have to kill a few trees.
These are two different things. I have no nonchalant attitude to killing trees. It's regrettable, but unavoidable. Fearing of killing a tree keeps you ignorant (and sometimes kills the tree anyway). I have a resigned attitude that it happens if you're trying things and learning. Telling someone to not be afraid of killing trees while they're learning isn't nonchalant. It removes a stigma of sorts . Simply not caring for trees (or being lazy in meeting their needs) is different. That is simple neglect. The other is cost of business. Failure teaches more than success (if you're interested in learning why you failed).
 
I think there are plenty of "Casual" bonsai enthusiasts, they'll probably never utilize any advanced training techniques and their bonsai is more for self satisfaction than it is for elevating to a show level. That being said, being a casual hobbyist is very different than being a negligent one, obtaining the core information that is readily available from a number of sources isn't a lofty expectation. If anything its the bare minimum one should possess before taking accountibility for the well-being of a living organism.
 
As @penumbra stated, it depends on what your definition of "casual" is.
Having one or two trees that you care for and develop and keep in your back yard for you, your family and friends to enjoy is one thing
You dont need to have 50-100 trees that are show ready that you put in shows etc.

However thinking you can have a bonsai that you only pay attention to once a week is a fallacy.
They need checked and watered every day in the summer.
Some overcome daily watering with sprinkler systems and timers but you still need to check to make sure they are functioning at least once a week.
They need to have winter protection and all the nuances that has depending on where you keep them.
You need to make sure they are free from bugs or fungus and take care of those appropriately either through preventatives or on a case by case basis depending on what it is.
They need to be repotted every few years, pruned and wired every year

It definitely is a time commitment that not everyone has the patience and diligence for
 
On my end it sounds allot like people's arguments are centered around the amount of effort THEY put into it defines a bonsai, but I'm not hearing about the trees. Bonsai is about trees. They don't care how much effort you go through so long as they're healthy.

What is bonsai in it's purest from?
A potted miniaturized tree in scale, artistically sculpted to emulate a full size tree.
We could debate whether a given piece is strictly bonsai vs penjing or another variation on the theme, but we wouldn't ban it from the forum for not being strictly bonsai.

If someone finds a way to achieve the desired affect to a level acceptable to them while keeping the tree healthy without the need for daily attention, it's still bonsai.
 
Much of this thread is inspired by reaction to the term "casual". If the original poster expressed interest in "reduced maintenance bonsai" or "easy bonsai", people would be much calmer. Of course there are easier, reduced maintenance bonsai. For example, I love Japanese maples. But they do not thrive in my climate and growing conditions with the level of care I can prodvide. So I have trident and Shantung maples, which are MUCH easier for me.
 
These are two different things. I have no nonchalant attitude to killing trees. It's regrettable, but unavoidable. Fearing of killing a tree keeps you ignorant (and sometimes kills the tree anyway). I have a resigned attitude that it happens if you're trying things and learning. Telling someone to not be afraid of killing trees while they're learning isn't nonchalant. It removes a stigma of sorts . Simply not caring for trees (or being lazy in meeting their needs) is different. That is simple neglect. The other is cost of business. Failure teaches more than success (if you're interested in learning why you failed).
I understand what you mean but I guess I wasn't clear enough in my post which is not at all directed toward any specific person or persons. I have killed plants as a part of my learning process, but regardless of the results, good or bad, I wish I hadn't. I just find that most people have a rather cavalier attitude about killing plants, and over collecting plants as well. It is a personal thing for me.
 
All I'm saying is OP kept a crappy mallsai alive for more than a year until a freak unseasonal heat wave proved a bit much for it. Half of us couldn't do that with our first tree. He knows what he's doing. Could he do better? Yup, but he's not doing too gawd awful.

Much of this thread is inspired by reaction to the term "casual". If the original poster expressed interest in "reduced maintenance bonsai" or "easy bonsai", people would be much calmer. Of course there are easier, reduced maintenance bonsai. For example, I love Japanese maples. But they do not thrive in my climate and growing conditions with the level of care I can prodvide. So I have trident and Shantung maples, which are MUCH easier for me.
I think you're absolutely right here.
I define casual in this case as bonsai without the need for obsessive compulsive care. It's care measured in moments of enjoyment wherever you find them, not hours of labor and worry.

I'm a casual dog owner. She's healthily fed and watered and exercised, and trained to be polite to the mail carrier as well as not steal food off the table. She also hasn't had a bath in years, and doesn't do a single trick. I like my dusty old mutt. She's damned good trail dog.

I feel the same way about my trees.
 
Glad I found my post ;), and thank you for the advice! The only thing I can say in my defense regarding the murdered juniper is that I had it out all last summer in the same spot with zero issues. And I only watered it once or twice a week.

So why did it burn this year? Maybe because it got substantially hotter earlier, but whatever happened , happened quickly. So I’m wondering if it would be a bad idea to bring such a plant (Juniper) inside during the extreme heat (90-100) and put it back outside for the remainder of the year?

Regarding the red stem elephant bush, I immediately fell for it just because it’s a trooper (so far) in the heat. I do not want anything that requires daily attention.
 
I have to agree with @rockm , over potting can take the tree out of the realm of bonsai and into the realm of potted landscape shrub.

But slightly over potting can buy you a few hours of time between slight wilting and botanical toast. Similar, using a more water retentive mix can help. But do plan on watering your trees daily. Or at least checking to see if they need water daily.

There are some trees that tolerate drought better than others, short term drought in particular. Obviously Portulacaria has been mentioned. Nice, but not viewed as "true bonsai" by some purists, as it is a long lived herbaceous perennial rather than a true tree species.

Pomegranate, is a possible choice. I have found they bounce back well from drought to wilt point. If they get too dry, they will drop all their leaves, and if not allowed to stay day too long, say less than 5 days, they usually will bounce back. Note, older pomegranates with some caliper to their trunks can withstand much longer droughts than young slender cuttings. If droughts are infrequent, say once a year, pomegranates are resilient. Frequent, repeat droughts, without allowing growth to recover can eventually kill them. THey make nice bonsai. Flowers are beautiful. Fruit is usually too big, except for the most dwarf varieties or very large scale bonsai specimens.

Texas ebony makes nice drought resistant bonsai- Ebenopsis ebano, formerly known as Pithecellobium ebano or Acacia flexicaulis depending on what year the reference you read was written. A brief drought will cause leaves to fall off, but it will grow a fresh set of leaves in short order once watering resumes.

Some caudiciform trees can make interesting bonsai, and can thrive on "planned neglect". Some are winter growers, needing water only in winter, some are summer growers, only in summer, and some grow opportunistically, which can be watered, "ad hoc" within reason as long as you allow them to dry a little between watering.

One such group of caudiciforms is the genus Bursera. These are native to Southern USA, Mexico, Central America and a few species into South America. They have fragrant resin, called copal, my favorite for Bonsai use is Bursera fagaroides, also Bursera microphylla, hindsii, and simplifolia. All are drought tolerant. The compound leaves are only 3 small leaflets, as such not posing a problem. I grow mine in a south windowsill, in a pumice based mix, where pumice is about 50% of the mix, akadama, lava and turface is the remainder. I usually water once a week, to once every 3 weeks in winter. They like to get bone dry between watering in winter. In summer I have moved them outdoors, they will grow explosively with the twice a week early summer rains we get. The do well with extensive droughts. In the wild, plants with soda can diameter trunks can go 18 months between rains and still green up nicely after a brief rain. In horticulture, they grow well with regular water, and once they have trunks over 1 cm diameter, they become quite drought tolerant. They will tolerate erratic watering during the growing season, resulting in less growth, but death is not likely. And they can be stored totally dry over winter. Though I like getting a little slow growth over winter, so I keep watering on sunny days, occasionally during the winter. I love the fragrance of the sap. I regularly bruise a leaf just to smell the perfume.

The genera Commiphora (myrrh) and Boswellia (frankincense) - are quite similar to Bursera, but I do not have hands on practice growing them. Being from Africa, they may prefer more seasonal watering. The fragrant sap, when you touch the leaves is reward enough for growing these.

Boabab trees. - genus Adansonia - These tend to have coarse branching and larger leaves, but I saw a noteworthy specimen being stored for the winter, under a stairwell in Memphis. Summered outdoors, as a large scale potted tree (more a garden potted tree than bonsai) It is only watered when green tips of leaves show from buds. Usually buds begin to sprout when temps begin to hit 80 F outside. The tree is then immediately moved outdoors, watered and kept in full sun for the summer. First "cool night of autumn for Memphis" the leaves begin to yellow and drop. At that point watering is stopped. Tree is then moved indoors under the stairwell to make certain it stays completely dry for the entire winter. In Memphis it is only warm enough for it to grow maybe 4 month a year. Not really a good species for most of north America. Water during dormancy will frequently result in fatal root rots.

There are others, you will have to read up, hope these give you some ideas.
Thanks for all the good info! Texas Ebony sounds interesting.

I think you have all figured by the thread, I’m into this casually, not committed at all, especially when I read that bonsais in hot weather might require 2 waterings per day. I’m not interested in that kind of a commitment. Most of the potted display plants that we keep outside are succulents and cactus, because they can stand the heat, and don’t like a lot of water.
 
It’s good to set limits with new hobbies. There will be lots of things you don’t learn, but if you know watering twice a day in the heat is never going to be your cup of tea, then you already know enough.

I’ve had a great time with portulacaria and gollum jade. Not strictly bonsai, but very fun. I imagine they will thrive down by you and grow quite quickly.
 
There are certainly levels of bonsai. I am definitely a low-key bonsai enthusiast, as I'm a work-at-home, stay-at-home mom with toddlers. But, since I'm home all the time, it's no skin off my back to water daily (in the Dallas 102 degree heat, definitely necessary). My bonsai are not "great" bonsai by any stretch, and I've lost a plant or two. I generally use nursery stock to avoid spending a ton on a tree that could possibly not make it. And I style in whatever way suits my fancy. But it's still a hobby, and I hope to someday have some really old, maybe silly looking trees to tell stories about. :)
 
Glad I found my post ;), and thank you for the advice! The only thing I can say in my defense regarding the murdered juniper is that I had it out all last summer in the same spot with zero issues. And I only watered it once or twice a week.

So why did it burn this year? Maybe because it got substantially hotter earlier, but whatever happened , happened quickly. So I’m wondering if it would be a bad idea to bring such a plant (Juniper) inside during the extreme heat (90-100) and put it back outside for the remainder of the year?

Regarding the red stem elephant bush, I immediately fell for it just because it’s a trooper (so far) in the heat. I do not want anything that requires daily attention.
Juniper indoors for any length of time is usually a bad idea. Outdoors, move it to shade, outside for the hottest weather. Though a week inside is not the worst if you won't be able to water daily.
 
Sorry to hear about your juniper! It was very pretty in that pot.

I'm going to give you some genuine newbie advice, from someone that is also brand new to actually practicing bonsai and is having a decent amount of success.

1. Do not despair over a dead juniper. For all the research that I've done, juniper are very finnicky, difficult trees to keep. They are not good as beginner trees. You certainly can't keep them indoors-- yet, keeping them alive is not as easy as simply keeping them outdoors, either. They are the cheapest trees at the bonsai store for a reason, and this is one of them. Almost any other tree would be a better fit.

2. That being said, not every tree is suitable for bonsai. Contrary to what many people on these forums seem to advocate, you can't simply pull a tree from the ground, put in a pot, shape and care for it, and call it "bonsai." This is the equivalent of shoving weeds in your friend's mouth and calling it "ikebana." There are trees which are traditionally used for bonsai, and I recommend that you try to stay in-or-near the guidelines when it comes to selecting a species if you are new. This is partially because of the availability of the information you will need to be successful. You may need to do some research in order to see what sort of tree might be a good compromise between the appearance you desire, and the amount of work you'll need to put in. This may all sound a bit intimidating, but that's leading into my third point.

3. Do not overstate the difficulty of this hobby, or you will lose interest in it. Although famously difficult to master, bonsai is an extremely easy hobby to pick up. As long as you pick the right species of tree, it can survive a bit of neglect. Please remember that your tree is not a dog or a cat, and that it evolved for millions of years to survive in adverse conditions. Of course, I am not advocating that you neglect your tree either. I am simply stating that, if you think of your tree as an "obligation," rather than something fun which you can take care of, then you won't take proper care of it either way and it will die. Therefore, it is better not to fret so much, and to just enjoy the hobby while always being honest with yourself, and always striving to improve.

Recommendations: If you want an ultra low-maintenance species, your succulents are a good choice. If you want something more hardy/ traditional, may I recommend looking into boxwood? Some of these trees are extremely tough. Mine is doing very well, and I barely touch the thing.

As always: Research the hell out of the species that you want to buy. Make sure it will thrive in your locale under the sort of care that you are wishing to provide it.
 
Although famously difficult to master, bonsai is an extremely easy hobby to pick up.
I hardily agree with this statement.
There is nothing about bonsai that is inherently more difficult than keeping a decent patio garden. A different skill set, but closely related. The aesthetics and disease diagnosis/treatment are the trickiest parts of mastering bonsai, but once you've found the right species for you the horticultural aspects come as a matter of course.
You may not wind up with something matching the Japanese bonsai tradition, but remember that the same craft goes by many other names in many other places, with many other styles and traditions. China, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, all of east Asia has a bonsai culture of it's own under different names. Learn from these also.
 
I'm going to give you some genuine newbie advice, from someone that is also brand new to actually practicing bonsai and is having a decent amount of success.

1. Do not despair over a dead juniper. For all the research that I've done, juniper are very finnicky, difficult trees to keep. They are not good as beginner trees.

They are the cheapest trees at the bonsai store for a reason, and this is one of them. Almost any other tree would be a better fit.

I'm actually going to disagree with the above. Juniper are one of the easiest bonsai to keep because they need the least amount of specialized work. They don't need candle pruning or pinching and needle thinning like pines. They don't need to be kept on top of in the sping with constant pinching like maples. A bit of pruning and wiring is about it.

They are the cheapest trees at the bonsai store because the material they are made of are the cheapest to obtain. Typically you are looking at Procumbens nana juniper made into what we call "mallsai" trees. Good shimpaku juniper material is not cheap.

That said, it is very common for people new to bonsai to kill trees. There is a bit of a learning curve we all must get through in the process of learning. Get another tree and try again.
 
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