Carving project

PC Petrifier works well, goes on clear, and is water-based, but after a few coats, it leaves a sheen. Best to put a few coats on, let it soak in, then buff with a wire brush, and repeat.

Thanks Brian.

FWIW, Minwax also leave a sheen when applied thick. The worst part is it also turns white when it gets wet before totally dried. After a few weeks both sheen and white color usually fades away (in my experience) even if you do not brush it.
 
I've been using Minwax WH but plan on shifting to PC Petrifier. http://www.pcepoxy.com/our-products/wood-repair/pc-petrifier.php

Thank you - I read up on both and the Petrifier will be my choice as the MinWax products always seem to be the least "friendly" to people and the enviornment. I have two unique projects planned that will take a few years and I will photo journal them starting in Spring as I am collecting and air drying some wood right now to get to stage one. :cool:
 
I read up on both and the Petrifier will be my choice as the MinWax products always seem to be the least "friendly" to people and the enviornment.

Same reason why I am shifting. I decided months ago but it was reinforced when I learned it is Kathy Shaner's choice as well during our club (poster care) workshop.
 
Same reason why I am shifting. I decided months ago but it was reinforced when I learned it is Kathy Shaner's choice as well during our club (poster care) workshop.

I have never encountered this product. Where is it available?
 
I have never encountered this product. Where is it available?

I think I got mine at Ace Hardware (I think:))

That is where my club mates got theirs too.
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1276460

Some Home Depot supposedly also carry it.
http://www.homedepot.com/buy/pc-pro...rifier-wood-hardener-128442.html#.UJ6DXYapmBU

If you cannot find it elsewhere you can get it online but more expensive http://www.amazon.com/Protective-Co...8&qid=1352565470&sr=8-1&keywords=pc+petrifier
 
It's also on eBay if you like buying things with one click like me.
 
wood hardener

First of all, thanks for the info earlier in this thread on getting a copy of the greensheets.
There is another wood hardner you can use that in my experience is far superior to what has been mentioned. It is called paraloid b72. It is an acrylic used by museums and other preservationist's on old wood and paper artifacts. (there are slightly different formulas for ceramic, metal, etc). You can go to bonsaibasho.com and click on advanced techniques. there is a 2 part article on their experiments with wood hardners on old , punky wood that they examine after using all the usual suspects including the paraloid. By far, the paraloid was the most natural and penetrated the deepest with the least "sheen" on the surface.
In Europe the paraloid is available in little plastic beads or in a liquid solution. a thick solution is used as an excellent glue for broken gin's ,etc.
Here in the US, you can google paraloid b72, and a bunch of suppliers will pop up. I got mine from an outfit in New York (talasonline.com). they sell all kinds of book preservation stuff and tools. It comes in these little beads like big grains of rice. You add paint thinner, either, or acetone to melt it.
There is a learning curve when you first use the stuff, so practice on a rotten piece of old wood before you apply it to your bonsai.
At the risk of boring everyone to death with such a long thread, I will give my experience with it to help anyone else.
First of all, I painted the stuff on a live branch and leaves to check toxicity, it did not kill the branch or hurt the tree at all!
I used acetone in an aluminum cup I made from a soda can. I added acetone to paraloid in a 20 to 1 solution (20 parts acetone, 1 part paraloid) used a chop stick and stired till it melted. if it got thicker than milk, I added more acetone. This part takes a while and is the only disadvantage I saw to this stuff (By the way, for the amount of product you get, it's about 10 times cheaper than minwax). if the air temp is on the cool side, it takes alot longer to liquify. If you use warmed up solution, little air bubbles form in the solution that will stay on the surface of your wood, spoiling the whole effect. Just keep mixing at room temp till it's disolved. When its a milk consistancy, paint it on your deadwood. Keep adding it on untill the wood will no longer absorb it anymore. The acetone penetrates very well and takes little bits of the acrylic with it untill the wood is effectively now made out of plastic.
Let it dry. If you did it rite, it will not have any sheen to it. If there is a slight shinyness, I just dip a toothbrush in acetone and lightly brush the surface.
Make sure you have the wood carved and the color you want before adding the paraloid, as it will be hard to change it after, so first carve and use lyme sulpher with or without ink to get it the way you want.
Read the article on basho for more info. Sorry for the long blab!
 
Thanks for the info Elliot I'll have to try that stuff.
 
Elliott,

That sounds exactly what I used to do...only using plexiglass pieces (instead of paraloid b72) that I melt with acetone. I use the solution as soak to harden spalted wood before turning. The acetone helps it seep in deep and it also evaporates super fast BUT...be careful with acetone. Make sure you read the MSDS about it and have plenty of ventilation when working with it.

I will stick with PC Petrifier. Thank you.
 
Dario
Hey, if the pc stuff works, awesome. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right? For anybody else, worried about acetone, I only used it cause that was on the shelf at home depot. Read the bonsaibasho.com articles, it list's many others you can mix it with and I'm sure a good google search will find it in solution already mixed.
By the way, Im gonna get the paraloid that's formulated to repsir ceramics in museums. I would like to see how well it can repair cracked pots and hide the break. I will report my findings here.
Thanks!
 
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