Bald Cypress group progression
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Maiden69
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Just a group progression, once I decide what to do with them I will move the tree/trees to another thread. I wanted to make a forest, but at this time I am running out of space and a BC forest with the growth I am getting out of these trees requires a LOT of space.
I think I may be definitely moving one of two of them to pots 2024, buds are starting to bump up so chopping and move into new bags will happen soon.
Frozentreehugger
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I have not tried dawn redwood yet . This info is from a Canadian seed source . They claim they love moisture and wet soil thriving in standing water . Sounds like a BC with more cold hardy . As I said I have no experience with them.
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Welp... all the trees minus the large one are dead. They survived the freeze we had in December, but I guess I was careless with them when we had the 2-day ice storm in the first week of February. They were pushing buds (small bbs were starting to swell right before that, and it didn't ring the bell. I lost a total of 5 trees, the 3 BC's and 2 Chojubais because of that storm. Last year we had a full week of snow at the same time and the trees did great. I started working on the first one today and felt that the roots were a little softer than normal, but they still looked alive, minus a few dark spots that I thought were from the little organic fertilizer and fish fert I used last year. But when I did the chop to transition to the new leader the tree felt dry and the sawdust was fine and dry as well... below are pictures from the trees and the work I did to the first one. I still worked the roots as a "practice run" since I knew it was dead. I checked the trunk of the other 2, and only one has about 3" of living tissue, but it was already recessing from the branch down.
This one really sucks as they were on such a great path. I already had picked out a pot for it and was about to pull the akadama out... lesson learned, thankfully I have around 15 new seedlings growing right now on root makers, going to have to come up with a way to transport them all the way around the house next year if we get another freak storm coming.
This one really sucks as they were on such a great path. I already had picked out a pot for it and was about to pull the akadama out... lesson learned, thankfully I have around 15 new seedlings growing right now on root makers, going to have to come up with a way to transport them all the way around the house next year if we get another freak storm coming.
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This is sad and tragic…. Those trees were kicking so much butt! My condolences brother..
Frozentreehugger
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So sad bro I feel for you . Living in the north . Thru trial and error . Mostly dead tree error . I have learned my trees stay in cold storage until it’s safe to bring them out . The safest action is one thaw out early spring Warm and cold can be disaster
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Cajunrider
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I am sorry my man.
Michigan Tree Murderer
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We all are at times. Nothing's easy, & sticks in pots is a challenge I've over extended on myself.
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Sorry to hear this. The good is you learnt a great deal from them though
Cajunrider
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Anything I can help?We all are at times. Nothing's easy, & sticks in pots is a challenge I've over extended on myself.
Maiden69
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Thanks to @Cajunrider for the below addition to my BCs following the loss.
Quick update as I had enough time to get it out of the box and into the Root Pouch. The tree arrived fine and the box appeared to be intact. The foam to prevent the tree from moving was a good idea, and the rootball arrived in great shape. I took a closeup of the white roots but the pic was blurry… but they are in great shape.
I didn’t mess with the roots at all, just removed them from the bag and placed them in around 3” of pumice with bonsai block and monto clay. Around 60% pumice, as the tree will be in water, so I don’t see the need of using too much water holding substrate. Plus the lighter weight pumice will allow the roots to move around freely towards the bag. The Root Pouch is a 7 gal, with 14” diameter, it is filled about half way up.
The bag is placed into a pond liner I bought from Lowe’s, I think it’s 21” in diameter. This is the first collected BC I have seen in person, and I can say that the 3 trees I lost were slightly bigger at the base while shorter in height, and that was done with only 2 full years of growth. So food for thought, it is possible to get a decent size BC in a short amount of time. This one will receive the same treatment as the other ones, depending on the condition of the roots next spring, it will be planted in a similar size bag, but with a tile attached at the bottom of the trunk to force the new roots laterally.
I also love the slight lean, that will allow me to plant it in a round container with the foliage breaking the rim of the container.
Quick update as I had enough time to get it out of the box and into the Root Pouch. The tree arrived fine and the box appeared to be intact. The foam to prevent the tree from moving was a good idea, and the rootball arrived in great shape. I took a closeup of the white roots but the pic was blurry… but they are in great shape.
I didn’t mess with the roots at all, just removed them from the bag and placed them in around 3” of pumice with bonsai block and monto clay. Around 60% pumice, as the tree will be in water, so I don’t see the need of using too much water holding substrate. Plus the lighter weight pumice will allow the roots to move around freely towards the bag. The Root Pouch is a 7 gal, with 14” diameter, it is filled about half way up.
The bag is placed into a pond liner I bought from Lowe’s, I think it’s 21” in diameter. This is the first collected BC I have seen in person, and I can say that the 3 trees I lost were slightly bigger at the base while shorter in height, and that was done with only 2 full years of growth. So food for thought, it is possible to get a decent size BC in a short amount of time. This one will receive the same treatment as the other ones, depending on the condition of the roots next spring, it will be planted in a similar size bag, but with a tile attached at the bottom of the trunk to force the new roots laterally.
I also love the slight lean, that will allow me to plant it in a round container with the foliage breaking the rim of the container.
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Can't beat that Maiden. @Cajunrider was awful good to help you like that IMO.
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Big difference in two months... fertilization has not been strong, as it was a collected tree, but I think it is time to start pushing it and probably wire some of those branches.
Matt seedlings from this year and about ready for some wire. Placed the 10x20 plastic planter underneath to start to push them.
Matt seedlings from this year and about ready for some wire. Placed the 10x20 plastic planter underneath to start to push them.
Maiden69
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I'm allowing everything that sprouts to harden up, I'm going to try to fatten that base next year.
Cajunrider
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Looking good!
Maiden69
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New batch of BC seedlings from Matt O.
June 2023
August 2023
I did wore one of them on June and removed the wire 2 wees ago because it was beginning to bite in.
One of this things is not like the others... barely visible, but there is a gingko seedling right in the middle on the back row. You can see it a little better on the image above.
I have my gingko's in the same tray with the trident maple seedlings (first image in this post), but they are getting rather toasty. I moved them into shade 3 days ago, but my chi-chi is doing way better under dappled shade, but it is on a root pouch and in-ground. That keeps it moist. I'm going to monitor the health of this seedling, as the roots are 1/3 into water, not entirely submerged. The tap root is going through a washer, which should strangle the roots inside the water once it swells up, allowing the rest to air-prune with the root maker pots. Should be plenty moist by water wicking into the soil by capillary action.
All this will be decent shohin-chuhin trees in 4 years.
June 2023
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I did wore one of them on June and removed the wire 2 wees ago because it was beginning to bite in.
One of this things is not like the others... barely visible, but there is a gingko seedling right in the middle on the back row. You can see it a little better on the image above.
I have my gingko's in the same tray with the trident maple seedlings (first image in this post), but they are getting rather toasty. I moved them into shade 3 days ago, but my chi-chi is doing way better under dappled shade, but it is on a root pouch and in-ground. That keeps it moist. I'm going to monitor the health of this seedling, as the roots are 1/3 into water, not entirely submerged. The tap root is going through a washer, which should strangle the roots inside the water once it swells up, allowing the rest to air-prune with the root maker pots. Should be plenty moist by water wicking into the soil by capillary action.
All this will be decent shohin-chuhin trees in 4 years.
Maiden69
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Seedlings are doing well, last Saturday I decided to wired some shape into one of them, today I checked and there are buds in 2 of the bends on the outside... Almost ficus like response.
This is the one I wired a few months back that I removed the wire last week. Swelling on the base, not 100% sure if I used a washer on it, will check in spring when I moved them to pouches.
This is the one I wired a few months back that I removed the wire last week. Swelling on the base, not 100% sure if I used a washer on it, will check in spring when I moved them to pouches.
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Now to my nursery bought stick-in-a-pot 1 gal from 2021. I removed him from the bag thinking that I was going to have time to work on this spring, but I didn't get to it. I backfilled the bucket with large size lava rock, as that was all that I had at the time that was not that important to me.
August 2021
August 2022
September 2023 - a thing to notice, while it may look as almost the same size as above, on the top picture the tree is in a bag inside the bucket of water, it now resides in the bucket. The photo below also shows why it is super important to take care of the roots on a nursery bought tree before allowing it to grow. While it is not a gret look, I'm going to probably try to keep them like that from now on unless I can certainly work them out without harming the tree. If I keep them, I will probably name the tree "Crown of Roots"
I think this tree problem with the foliage this summer is due to not enough water, so I decided to cut 2 large windows on the side of the bucket and place it inside a pond liner. Can't wait to work this tree this spring.
August 2021
August 2022
September 2023 - a thing to notice, while it may look as almost the same size as above, on the top picture the tree is in a bag inside the bucket of water, it now resides in the bucket. The photo below also shows why it is super important to take care of the roots on a nursery bought tree before allowing it to grow. While it is not a gret look, I'm going to probably try to keep them like that from now on unless I can certainly work them out without harming the tree. If I keep them, I will probably name the tree "Crown of Roots"
I think this tree problem with the foliage this summer is due to not enough water, so I decided to cut 2 large windows on the side of the bucket and place it inside a pond liner. Can't wait to work this tree this spring.
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