Bad Advice on the Internet

[rlist]

My experience is the same as Boondock's, that this sort of interpersonal unpleasantness is peculiar only to specialty forums devoted to bonsai. Not sure why.

I like the BNut option here of an "Ignore" list to which we can individually banish such provocateurs. The only other thing I could imagine doing, beyond the administrators editing their input or banning them completely, would be to set up on the site a specific "Tar Baby" forum to which they would be restricted, and where we could go if, for some strange reason, we wanted to play with them.

grouper52

Groupmiester - I think you have a good idea there! I think I will start a new bonsai forum called BonsaiBS.com so that anyone and everyone could go and make absurd accusations about one another and (contrary to the site's name) post comments that have absolutely nothing to do with bonsai. This site will be moderator free, will let anything go, and if someone chooses "to play" they can go to that site and have at it. It will be the Ultimate Fighting of the bonsai forum world!

That will be my "contribution to the bonsai world" for this week, and then our good friend Da Head Nut can actually spend some time playing with koi ponds, bonsai and Pokeman...

R "Sick of BS on Da Nut" List

 

[Boondock]

Boondock,

your history of hate is well know, your blog supports it, your past posts here supports it. Nothing further needs to be said.

Will

How do you get away with posting these personal attacks on me?

 

[Anonymous User]

How do you get away with posting these personal attacks on me?

No attacks from me Boondock, just defensive responses to you. This is quite clear.

I said your history of hate is well known, your blog supports it, your past posts here supports it. This is fact, all one needs to do is to look at your blog, your past posts here, many of which were deleted for being personal attacks, and they can see the truth.

Again, I have never instigated a single argument with you, I have only defended against your attempts to discredit, libel, slander, or otherwise smear me.

Your post reminds me of the guy who always complained about his dog biting him whenever he kicked it. He just kept kicking the dog, getting bit, and complaining until finally he just got rid of the dog. The poor fool never realized that it was the kicking that caused the biting, not the dogs temperament.

If you don't like the bites, stop kicking the dog.


Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus


Will

 

[Ashbarns]

Ooops! sorry I just kinda stumbled in here. Anyone see where Chris and Behr went?

 

[Boondock]

I said your history of hate is well known, your blog supports it, your past posts here supports it. This is fact, all one needs to do is to look at your blog, your past posts here

Could you please quote the place in this thread (or any place) that would have you, on an open public forum, say I am hateful or that I have a history of hate? I did not refer to you, or mention your name or even hint that I was speaking about you. I did not even have you in mind when I posted in this thread. If you are unable to provide a link or a quote, an apology will suffice.



As far as my off-site satirical blog... Well, its an op/ed (opinion/editorial) piece, not entirely based in fact, and often humorous. I have never provided a link to it. I think we are all allowed to have a place on the net to express our opinions or make a joke. If you do not like, then do not read it.

 

[grouper52]

Groupmiester - I think you have a good idea there! I think I will start a new bonsai forum called BonsaiBS.com so that anyone and everyone could go and make absurd accusations about one another and (contrary to the site's name) post comments that have absolutely nothing to do with bonsai. This site will be moderator free, will let anything go, and if someone chooses "to play" they can go to that site and have at it. It will be the Ultimate Fighting of the bonsai forum world!

Great idea, Rich. Maybe some hacker geek can design the site so that those who go there can be electronically imprisoned, so that their computer can never go elsewhere, sort of like a fly trap or mosquito trap - kind of a fitting analogy.

Or perhaps we should all set up little bonsai web forums as bait, and the moment the prime offenders show up we, as moderators, can summarily ban them. Get their "banned from" count up quickly to levels they can be more proud of!

Oh, yeah . . . I forgot, bad advice somewhere about a sickly serrisa or something . . . isn't that the august topic we're supposed to be discussing here? My bad.

grouper52

 

[Anonymous User]

Yawn,

Could you please quote the place in this thread (or any place) that would have you, on an open public forum, say I am hateful or that I have a history of hate?

Sorry, they have all been deleted by admin and rightfully so. But many remember them, nice try at dodging your own actions.

As far as my off-site satirical blog... not entirely based in fact....

What you call satire, many have called hate.




Will

 

[Anonymous User]

Well, I think we know why bad advice on the internet is allowed to remain unchallenged. This thread is a testomonial to it.

Change the subject

Behead the messenger

Do anything fast to prevent anyone from questioning advice given



Will

 

[Chris Johnston]

Well, I think we know why bad advice on the internet is allowed to remain unchallenged. This thread is a testomonial to it.

Change the subject

Behead the messenger

Do anything fast to prevent anyone from questioning advice given



Will

In fairness, Will, since most of this thread is still up, your somewhat flippant spin on a sad chapter of the online bonsai community's history brought a lot of this on yourself. In fact, before Joanie tried to tell the other side and was edited for it, and after, there has been plenty of substantive give and take on the issue.

You never responded to my question, though, about what you think the answer might be? Would it be an overarching governing body to determine what is good advice and what is bad? We've already seen how a consensus may be difficult to reach. So who decides what is good advice or bad advice?

 

[zelk]

What you call satire, many have called hate.

Will

Hate or satire, you cant regulate the internet or free speech.People have the right to criticize anything they wish.

 

[Graydon]

Hate or satire, you cant regulate the internet or free speech.People have the right to criticize anything they wish.

True Zelk. I am a card carrying member of the ACLU and my dues go to help fight this fight everyday. I would gladly defend your right to say what you wish.

But not in my house. I set the ground rules there, what can and can't be critized in my home. Since BNut is not my home I have no control over the rules. I choose to abaide by the head Nut's rules. They are pretty clear to me, and I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree either.

I say enough attacks, period. Can we all keep the discussion somewhat on track?

 

[Bonsai Nut]

I'm gonna close this thread, because I am getting tired of reading it Seriously folks, it is a tough balance to try to allow free exchange of ideas (even heated debates) while trying to prevent outright bashing - of other people and other sites. If you have something negative to say about someone, send them a personal message and discuss it in person. For the most part, having private arguments in public tends to annoy the disinterested group in the middle.