About wiring.

[chicago1980]

Here's one:

http://bonsaibark.com/2016/12/10/two-simple-tricks-with-bonsai-wire/

Thank you.

 

[Adair M]

If one takes inspiration from Nature and Memories, the Design of the trees will change from
place to place.

Sometimes Wire, sometimes Grow and Clip, the Design decides what you need.

China is so large that they could care less about other folk's Designs, and the Japanese
like stylised shapes.
On our side we follow our trees and I expect others will do so in their countries.

We can pick and choose what we prefer.

Some trees keep wire scars for a long time and look ugly.
Some trees handle wiring very well.

The pain being expressed comes from hidden Agendas, and personal fears/limitations.

Murata produced beautiful work, less of a bush and more of a tree.
Have quite a few books by the Muratas.
Good Day
Anthony

Anthony, you speak wisely here.

Will Badley and I got into a long exchange about how trees should look. And then we both realized that the trees he admired were of a different species and environment than mine, so they grow quite differently.

 

[M. Frary]

Any other tips or tricks about wiring a Bonsai tree?

Practice,practice,practice.
If you don't have enough trees of your own practice putting wire on landscape trees.

 

[Adair M]

Practice,practice,practice.
If you don't have enough trees of your own practice putting wire on landscape trees.

Or dead bonsai trees.

Practice using aluminum. You can unwind it and use it over and over again. If you grab each end with a pair of pliers, bring your hands together in front of your chest, then quickly snap your arms out horizontally, the wire will straighten back out.

 

[M. Frary]

Or dead bonsai trees.

Practice using aluminum. You can unwind it and use it over and over again. If you grab each end with a pair of pliers, bring your hands together in front of your chest, then quickly snap your arms out horizontally, the wire will straighten back out.

Plus it's good for the pectorals.

 

[MichaelS]

"Adair M, post: 414438,
Michael, on virtually every thread you participate in, you change the topic into how the Japanese have been doing bonsai wrong.

Ok, I'm not letting you get away with that. 65 threads, 3, perhaps 4 conform to your accusation.

And, I never said the Japanese have been doing it wrong. What I do say, is that they used to do it right and now many (certainly not all!!) (those in the spotlight and the magazines and the teachers of the western students) have lost their way from the original concept. For them and their followers, bonsai now is about winning, business, speed, prestige, commerciality, showiness, slickness, the wow factor, that kind of crap.
When I post examples of what I consider great bonsai, they are usually Japanese.
Be accurate if you can.

BTW, just how times have you slipped in a picture of your Black Pine or changed the subject to how we should wire?
If you don't like what I say, ignore me or argue with me but first understand what I'm saying.

Your posts are comparable to me saying that you Aussies don't know how to play Australian Rules Football!

More like, ''they have bastardized aussie rules with too many rules, too much corporate oversight, and too much exclusiveness''

Bonsai depict an idealized vision of what trees should look like. In miniature. Not necessarily what they actually DO look like.

What the hell does ''idealized'' mean? Who's ideal tree looks like a green mound with outlines so neat and uniform you could use them as a straight edge?

Just as Supermodels wear makeup, we style trees to enhance their beauty.

Well yes that IS the intention but we are now actually hiding their real beauty. Beautiful women don't need makeup.

I once rode in an elevator with Elle McPherson when she was at the height of her career. She was not wearing makeup and was wearing ordinary clothes. If I hadn't known it was Elle, I wouldn't have recognized her.

You have forgotten how to see.

 

[0soyoung]

I once rode in an elevator with Elle McPherson when she was at the height of her career. She was not wearing makeup and was wearing ordinary clothes. If I hadn't known it was Elle, I wouldn't have recognized her.

And I've seen some stunningly beautiful queens that looked just like any other guy without their make up.

What is the point of these little anecdotes?

 

[Vance Wood]

Ok, I'm not letting you get away with that. 65 threads, 3, perhaps 4 conform to your accusation.

And, I never said the Japanese have been doing it wrong. What I do say, is that they used to do it right and now many (certainly not all!!) (those in the spotlight and the magazines and the teachers of the western students) have lost their way from the original concept. For them and their followers, bonsai now is about winning, business, speed, prestige, commerciality, showiness, slickness, the wow factor, that kind of crap.
BTW, just how times have you slipped in a picture of your Black Pine or changed the subject to how we should wire?
Be accurate if you can.



More like, ''they have bastardized aussie rules with too many rules, too much corporate oversight, and too much exclusiveness''



What the hell does ''idealized'' mean? Who's ideal tree looks like a green mound?



Well yes that IS the intention but we are now actually hiding their real beauty. Beautiful women don't need makeup.





You have forgotten how to see.

Beautiful women don't need cloths.

 

[chicago1980]

These sexy bitches.

 

[Adair M]

Ok, I'm not letting you get away with that. 65 threads, 3, perhaps 4 conform to your accusation.

And, I never said the Japanese have been doing it wrong. What I do say, is that they used to do it right and now many (certainly not all!!) (those in the spotlight and the magazines and the teachers of the western students) have lost their way from the original concept. For them and their followers, bonsai now is about winning, business, speed, prestige, commerciality, showiness, slickness, the wow factor, that kind of crap.
BTW, just how times have you slipped in a picture of your Black Pine or changed the subject to how we should wire?
Be accurate if you can.



More like, ''they have bastardized aussie rules with too many rules, too much corporate oversight, and too much exclusiveness''



What the hell does ''idealized'' mean? Who's ideal tree looks like a green mound?



Well yes that IS the intention but we are now actually hiding their real beauty. Beautiful women don't need makeup.





You have forgotten how to see.

Michael, I use pictures of my Black Pines to illustrate points I am trying to make. I don't have a great number of trees, I prefer to spend more time on a few trees than have so many that some get neglected.

I use my trees as examples because it's work I have actually done myself. So, if I can do it, so can others. I don't consider myself particularly gifted, but I tried to learn the proper techniques, and apply them.

Maybe I am more "craftsman" than "artist". The reason I post stuff here about how to wire is to help others become better at bonsai. It doesn't matter if someone likes green helmets or not. Knowing how to wire properly will allow anyone doing bonsai style their trees in the manner they prefer.

 

[MichaelS]

Michael, I use pictures of my Black Pines to illustrate points I am trying to make. I don't have a great number of trees, I prefer to spend more time on a few trees than have so many that some get neglected.

I use my trees as examples because it's work I have actually done myself. So, if I can do it, so can others. I don't consider myself particularly gifted, but I tried to learn the proper techniques, and apply them.

Maybe I am more "craftsman" than "artist". The reason I post stuff here about how to wire is to help others become better at bonsai. It doesn't matter if someone likes green helmets or not. Knowing how to wire properly will allow anyone doing bonsai style their trees in the manner they prefer.

Yes well you have your interests, I have mine. I'm not going to comment about wiring technique because you are doing the job nicely.

 

[Adair M]

Yes well you have your interests, I have mine. I'm not going to comment about wiring technique because you are doing the job nicely.

Thanks for that complement. I understand some prefer different styles than the ones I prefer.

But good technique is something we all should have in common.

 

[M. Frary]

showiness, slickness, the wow factor

This is exactly what I shoot for.

 

[Anthony]

Bonsai Today - 92 page 6 top section ---------------

Essentially clip and grow produces more natural results -------- problem ----------- takes longer to produce a result.

" Also it is much more difficult to forsee the future shape of a branch,as development is determined by the direction
that the shoots decide to take "

Goes on to state that one can combine the two techniques as compliments of each other.

______________________________________________________________

The word used is not - Idealised - but - Stylised.

Idealism is the combination of the best qualities to give perfection ------------------ in other words after studying trees in
nature and only those considered to be best [ of one type e.g J.B.pine ] , one then combines the best in HARMONY with
the whole. -

Extremely difficult to do!!!!!!! [ See Raphael - Renaissance ]

Stylised is simply following what everyone else is doing ----------------- nothing great --------- follow fashion.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Vance Wood]

Bonsai Today - 92 page 6 top section ---------------

Essentially clip and grow produces more natural results -------- problem ----------- takes longer to produce a result.

" Also it is much more difficult to forsee the future shape of a branch,as development is determined by the direction
that the shoots decide to take "

Goes on to state that one can combine the two techniques as compliments of each other.

______________________________________________________________

The word used is not - Idealised - but - Stylised.

Idealism is the combination of the best qualities to give perfection ------------------ in other words after studying trees in
nature and only those considered to be best [ of one type e.g J.B.pine ] , one then combines the best in HARMONY with
the whole. -

Extremely difficult to do!!!!!!! [ See Raphael - Renaissance ]

Stylised is simply following what everyone else is doing ----------------- nothing great --------- follow fashion.
Good Day
Anthony

Anthony: You wrote---Stylised is simply following what everyone else is doing ----------------- nothing great --------- follow fashion. Wow do I disagree with that opinion. It may be a fact in the evolution of bonsai in the cookie cutter by the numbers according to the book people; but how about those who work outside the box and innovate themselves into the controversies around here? Innovations in bonsai don't just happen because we allow them to sit on a bench while we chant mystic things at them and make weird sounds like a Jack ass in labor. It may start there but if the image you imagine is not brought forth through your efforts with the tree, it will never be anything but a bushy idea, and an echo of a delusional mind.

 

[Anthony]

Vance,

I have't a clue as to what you are saying ????????????????????????????

If one is Looking /Studying, [ at ]nature and then doing, how does that tie into stylised ?

The idea for stylising is simply following everyone else - as you said - cookie cutter.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Vance Wood]

I am saying that stylized is, at least in the case of many, expressing the ideas and visions you have kicking around in your head and utilizing the techniques you have learned to realize them. Anthony: You seemed to be saying that:mm "Stylised is simply following what everyone else is doing...... the definition of cookie cutter bonsai, or am I missing something?

 

[chicago1980]

Bonsai Today - 92 page 6 top section ---------------

Essentially clip and grow produces more natural results -------- problem ----------- takes longer to produce a result.

" Also it is much more difficult to forsee the future shape of a branch,as development is determined by the direction
that the shoots decide to take "

Goes on to state that one can combine the two techniques as compliments of each other.

______________________________________________________________

The word used is not - Idealised - but - Stylised.

Idealism is the combination of the best qualities to give perfection ------------------ in other words after studying trees in
nature and only those considered to be best [ of one type e.g J.B.pine ] , one then combines the best in HARMONY with
the whole. -

Extremely difficult to do!!!!!!! [ See Raphael - Renaissance ]

Stylised is simply following what everyone else is doing ----------------- nothing great --------- follow fashion.
Good Day
Anthony

Realism vs stylization. I remember those conversations in high school & college.

 

[Anthony]

Yes, Vance,

stylised work is just cooky cutter stuff.

Out of the box work is another idea.

Realism. Idealism and Mannerism - Chicargo 1980 - chuckle.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Bolero]

Vance said:
an echo of a delusional mind.

I can Associate & Relate to that...