Best [current] Price for Akadama And Pumice For South-East?

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As title says: what is currently the best price for akadama and pumice (at least 3 gallons each of each) for someone living in NC? Need at least three or more gallons of each. Was thinking the bonsai learning center might have some I can buy and not have to ship?

Thanks,
Joe
 
Joe,

the original breakdown on Akadama was mostly pumice and a little clay [ possibly decomposed pumice ]

Trees are supposed to thrive in light clay loam.

Now as they say excuse my rocket to plant x is waiting, as I am sure Sifu is going to come a gunning.:eek::eek::eek:
Leaves like a speeding gogerrah late for a film shoot:)
Good Day
Anthony
 
Sorry Anthony, but I have no idea what you said...


Anyway, BonsaiBardo doesnt sell just akadama. They only sell pre-made mixes with akadama in it,

So I still would need a source for some akadama.
 
Joe, you can probably get akadama from the Bonsai Learning Center. Or Plant City. Www.plantcitybonsai.com

The mix that bonsaibardo sells is the Gold Standard. It's called "Clay King". Imported premixed from Japan. It is the stuff that "Boon Mix" is trying to copy.

If you want the very best, it's Clay King.
 
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Tempted to try Clay King. Less mixing is appealing, but it will have to wait a few years, I just reloaded on akadama.
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I got a bit of both...I still have most of that lava I got from you to work with.
 
I recognize the bags of dry stall which is basically pumice which I love and use....Never used akadama.

Brian
 
Joe,

Sifu is the title of respect given to a learned man who takes the time to teach - Chinese for - Teacher.
Adair has been kind enough to teach me about the J.B.pine.

If you were not kidding, the idea is akadama is a pumice based loam, with a little clay, found that on-line and in one
the Murata books from the 60's or so.
So you could just purchase pumice from somewhere in the US.

What is loam -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loam

This probably what Bnut prime figured out.

For our part the inorganic we use for it's porous nature is a fired red earthenware brick sifted to 5 mm. It fortunately
does not float and with the white builder's gravel 5 mm, is visually very pretty.

What I have noticed here and on other forums, is a mix-up of ground growing technique and refinement technique.

If you are refining as in branchlets. it is pumice etc.
If it is trunk building, roots and branches, it is ground growing.

Found this over at AUSbonsai -

What makes a tree -

5% fine / feeder roots

15% larger / transport roots

60% trunk / main stem

15% branches and twigs

5% leaves

and this is for a mature tree or a mature herb.

We use no soft inorganic ingredients for the simple reason, they will with say 30 years of growing
change to a clay or fine silt and have to be removed from the core of your tree.
It is scary interfering with the core of an old tree.

Additionally found was that the reason oxygen reaches roots is due to the BORERS that pass through
the soil, feeding on organic matter, in our case - compost [ in the wild - it is called leaf mold ]
So you actually help your tree with the use of some organic matter.

Now that we have a base figure of 1 organic to 28.7 inorganic, we can use even less compost for
finished trees [ thanks to Cocoa tree research ]

So working with nature, it takes longer for the soil to lose it's fast draining and air/root abilities.
Isn't Science and understanding nature - GREAT !!!!!!!
Great Day
Anthony

* Sifu, without the Science, this would all become - cat in bag or magic.
 
Joe,

Sifu is the title of respect given to a learned man who takes the time to teach - Chinese for - Teacher.
Adair has been kind enough to teach me about the J.B.pine.

If you were not kidding, the idea is akadama is a pumice based loam, with a little clay, found that on-line and in one
the Murata books from the 60's or so.
So you could just purchase pumice from somewhere in the US.

What is loam -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loam

This probably what Bnut prime figured out.

For our part the inorganic we use for it's porous nature is a fired red earthenware brick sifted to 5 mm. It fortunately
does not float and with the white builder's gravel 5 mm, is visually very pretty.

What I have noticed here and on other forums, is a mix-up of ground growing technique and refinement technique.

If you are refining as in branchlets. it is pumice etc.
If it is trunk building, roots and branches, it is ground growing.

Found this over at AUSbonsai -

What makes a tree -

5% fine / feeder roots

15% larger / transport roots

60% trunk / main stem

15% branches and twigs

5% leaves

and this is for a mature tree or a mature herb.

We use no soft inorganic ingredients for the simple reason, they will with say 30 years of growing
change to a clay or fine silt and have to be removed from the core of your tree.
It is scary interfering with the core of an old tree.

Additionally found was that the reason oxygen reaches roots is due to the BORERS that pass through
the soil, feeding on organic matter, in our case - compost [ in the wild - it is called leaf mold ]
So you actually help your tree with the use of some organic matter.

Now that we have a base figure of 1 organic to 28.7 inorganic, we can use even less compost for
finished trees [ thanks to Cocoa tree research ]

So working with nature, it takes longer for the soil to lose it's fast draining and air/root abilities.
Isn't Science and understanding nature - GREAT !!!!!!!
Great Day
Anthony

* Sifu, without the Science, this would all become - cat in bag or magic.
Thanks for explaining 'sifu'; I assumed it dealt with respect. Adair is most deserving of the title.


Back on topic; I am actually looking for pumice for two reasons. I need some for my normal bonsai mix, [for trees in bonsai pots (refinement stage)] and collected material. This needs to be uniform.


I also want to use some in my raised grow bed to improve the soil quality. I will be planting a good amount of trees in the ground soon so I want to get things preoared before spring.


I dont know if you saw the posts, but I had inquired about how azaleas are grown in Japan. Dave said that they are grown in pure kanuma [expensive acidic pumice] in ~3ft raised beds. I was thinking about using pumice with a small amount of added peat in a small section of the raised bed just for azaleas.


And I just want to try akadama, since I always hear so much about it.:D


Thanks for taking the time to reply
 
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I got a bit of both...I still have most of that lava I got from you to work with.

Hey, the bikes look buried and dusty! They don't like that, they look like their begging to be ridden!!:p
Seriously, these soil piles must have cost some serious scratch!!:eek:
I do love me some high-falutin' soil, though.....in spring the driveway usually sports a bunch of red stains!!:rolleyes:
I like the particle shape of Akadama as opposed to Turface. Turface looks flat to me, where Akadama seems to have more surface and shape variation.
Not saying one is better than the other. Just a personal observation.:cool:
 
Hey, the bikes look buried and dusty! They don't like that, they look like their begging to be ridden!!:p
Those would be the bikes I bought my two kids...yeah, very low mileage and "lightly used":(. Granted, if you saw my driveway, you'd probably understand.
 
Nice piles @Brian Van Fleet and @Dav4 ! Dave, is that last photo the clay king? Looks sweet.
Yes, that's the clay king. Adair hooked me up with someone who purchased a pallet's worth and was essentially selling at cost...I bought 10 bags but would have purchased more if I could.
 
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