cytokinin powder test

[bonsai-max]

Hi there, some weeks ago I grab a bag of cytokinin powder, I have two pines that I can use as a test plant but needs some starting point.
Someone want help me ?
That's the product

With a kind of google translate :



The package say 1.5 to 2.5gr per 1 Lt of water, the website say 1:1000 water diluted, sprayed on plants Fruit, flower, potted, etc.
But how often ? For how long ? Dosage ?
Let's do some tests I can take a diary, maybe is functioning for backbudding.....

 

[bonsai-max]

Mhhh, nobody?
maybe is too complicate.....

What about 1.5gr - 1 lt once in two weeks ?

 

[AshleyMammal]

Interesting! Possible snake oil or the start of Little Shop of Horrors.

As I understand it cytokines are plant hormones signalling/controlling every process a plant does, will this equate to 30% more growth or do plants have all they need naturally?

I'd be interested to see the results, i'm sceptical, but must admit the science goes way over my head.

 

[cishepard]

I have some cytokine paste that is normally used for orchids and houseplants to promote backbudding at the nodes. I’ve been curious to know if it might do the same for my pines, so I’m following this thread to see of it has been done by anybody.
Maybe it just isn’t a thing, though, for coniferous trees …

 

[Gabler]

I have no idea what the frequency should be, but I sort of default to once per two weeks for most products applied as a solution when watering.

 

[bonsai-max]

I have no idea what the frequency should be, but I sort of default to once per two weeks for most products applied as a solution when watering.

I would try foliar, so also the buds are wet

 

[Gabler]

I would try foliar, so also the buds are wet

When watering, I wet the whole plant, so that includes a foliar application. I didn't really think about treating just the roots as an option. That said, I guess you could use a sprayer to wet just one branch and see if it's any different than the other branches on the same tree. However, I would do that with separate trees in a separate test.

 

[Srt8madness]

Is this the same mode of action as the fulvic/humic + kelp has?

 

[bonsai-max]

That said, I guess you could use a sprayer to wet just one branch and see if it's any different than the other branches on the same tree. However, I would do that with separate trees in a separate test.

I don't know, the mechanism is not only for contact but also because they go in circle. Probably the best choice is wet the all plant and see the results

 

[ShadyStump]

I don't know, the mechanism is not only for contact but also because they go in circle. Probably the best choice is wet the all plant and see the results

This seems like a way to just see if there is ANY effect at all.
I suggest 1 plant treat the whole thing, 1 plant just the foliage, and 1 just the roots. Do it for a full season, then repot in spring so you can see the full results.

 

[bonsai-max]

I suggest 1 plant treat the whole thing, 1 plant just the foliage, and 1 just the roots. Do it for a full season, then repot in spring so you can see the full results.

I have only two plants that I can test, a black pine and a mugo. Both recovered from the green garbage ( i made two thread about that).
When is the period of creating the news buds for the pines ? sadly I didn't make any candle pinch because the plants was too weak.

 

[Gabler]

I have only two plants that I can test, a black pine and a mugo. Both recovered from the green garbage ( i made two thread about that).
When is the period of creating the news buds for the pines ? sadly I didn't make any candle pinch because the plants was too weak.

Unless you're using plants of the same species, it'll be impossible to tell whether the product is having any effect. You should look for some cheap potted landscape pines from a garden center or something. In the alternative, look for some seedlings to pull up along the roadside or something, where they're growing together and appear to have come from the same parent plant. This isn't a rigorous science experiment, but you should try to get as close as reasonably possible.

 

[nuttiest]

I would not worry about dilution so much, this is natural supplement. You can make your own plant hormones with soy flour, soy isoflavones, cornmeal, kelp, baby leaves of healthy plants, etc.

 

[bonsai-max]

I would not worry about dilution so much, this is natural supplement. You can make your own plant hormones with soy flour, soy isoflavones, cornmeal, kelp, baby leaves of healthy plants, etc.

I should raise the dosage ?

Unless you're using plants of the same species, it'll be impossible to tell whether the product is having any effect. You should look for some cheap potted landscape pines from a garden center or something. In the alternative, look for some seedlings to pull up along the roadside or something, where they're growing together and appear to have come from the same parent plant. This isn't a rigorous science experiment, but you should try to get as close as reasonably possible.

Yes that's true but I hope we can learn something from this experiment, I started today with 1.5gr -1 lt of water

 

[nuttiest]

Heck yeah, I am going to do mine in a paste once I find soy meal cheap. Want to color it with a dye so I know where I painted bud hormones a month later.

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

Mhhh, nobody?
maybe is too complicate.....

What about 1.5gr - 1 lt once in two weeks ?

You don't know which cytokinin it is, so it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to talk about effective dilutions. Zeatin is less strong than benzylaminopurine, and 2-ip can act as both a basal dominant auxin as well as a cytokinin, depending on the species. There are a couple others that have effects on some plants but not others.
Take epibrassinolide for instance; it can work very well or herbs but it doesn't seem to affect trees in the same way.

If you don't know what you have, you can't estimate its effects. Some literature says BAP is very effective on pines at 5mg/L. Some state it's effective at 0.5mg/L.

What I do know is that when you overdose hormones, there is a chance that your plant will be forever altered and might never again respond to normal techniques.

I've been testing a couple common hormones for over decades and their effects and the results shoot in all directions.

 

[ShadyStump]

I just realized that my kids are likely to be having just as many conversations on BNut about hormone treatments and epigenetics as they are conversations about fertilizers.
The next generation of bonsai is going to look as much like @cmeg1's shed as Ryan Niel's benches!

 

[River's Edge]

For those who wish to explore some concepts with respect to application of Hormones to promote back budding. Here is an interesting study.

Improving the Efficacy of Cytokinin Applications for Stimulation of Lateral Branch Development in Young Sweet Cherry Trees in the Orchard

Improving lateral branch development in young sweet cherry trees without reliance on pruning is a desirable component of tree training programs, especially for high-density systems. Applications of two proprietary formulations of 6-benzyladenine and gibberellins A4 and A7 (Promalin, Valent...

journals.ashs.org

I think it basically summarizes that a number of factors are at play and one variable may not be the answer.

 

[Glaucus]

It is a scam, kinda,

But if they are organic molecules, you can use it as fertilizer. It might even be good fertilizer. Whatever is in there, bacteria will break it down and the plant can use the NPKs.

I wouldn't go as far as to say 'all fertilizers are the same' and 'the best fertilizer is the cheapest fertilizer', but it is pretty close to that.

It is probably possible to influence tree growth with hormones. But the science and the consumer market aren't anywhere close.

 

[bonsai-max]

Hi, maybe is the natural plant's strength but the plant that I am threating with cytokinin was very weak and almost dead :

https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/another-homeless.60163/