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Hey Aaron, are they growing in the ground? If so that explains the week or so...

Vance it weird this year. Here in Vegas temps have also been around 105 or even lower and that is WAY below normal, things just don't seem to be drying out as fast. I am being real vigilant because one big bounce and they are all in trouble...
 
Hey Aaron, are they growing in the ground? If so that explains the week or so...

Vance it weird this year. Here in Vegas temps have also been around 105 or even lower and that is WAY below normal, things just don't seem to be drying out as fast. I am being real vigilant because one big bounce and they are all in trouble...

I don't know what to say. Where I live it has been in the 90's and I am finding it necessary to water as often as three times a day. I just hope that some just starting out don't take this approach as a viable alternative to be emulated for their collection. Does anyone think this is not an invite to failure?
 
I don't know what to say. Where I live it has been in the 90's and I am finding it necessary to water as often as three times a day. I just hope that some just starting out don't take this approach as a viable alternative to be emulated for their collection. Does anyone think this is not an invite to failure?

Vance I believe you misunderstood... I am still watering in Vegas at least once per day on my potted stuff. (all except for one juni in pond baskets and such). I only said that things are not drying out as fast this year. This is a true statement as we are about 10 degrees cooler than normal.

Aaron, in Tuscon was saying that he is watering the shrub in question once a week. This is possible if it is in the ground.
 
It's over 100 here in texas I water once per day. My soil is 75% aggregate 25% sifted pine bark. I only keep by trees in full sun for half the day in the morning hours.
 
@ Milehigh... Nope, no spider mites... though I wish it were... at least then I would know the problem.
@ Vance... Yes, the soil is well draining but it is also mostly organics. The planter it is in is approx 4' around and approx 2' deep.. concrete walls approx 2" thick (heavy). Its tapers at the bottom to a 2" drainage hole. The soil has been retaining moisture... not muddy but damp to the touch. Perhaps I do need to water more but I figured since Junipers don't like wet feet, I shouldn't drown it. I only need to water my Elms once a day or every other day at the moment... soil is 40% organic and 60% aggregate (just a bit more than jkd2572) but the pots are also only 3 or 4 inches deep.
PS..... LOL weird doesn't bother me... you should have read the conversation I had with a seller on Ebay this past week :D
 
Well for better or worse... I dug down into the planter to make sure the water was not pooling at the bottom and it wasnt. I just watered the heck out of the guy and did another hole on the other side and still no water pooling but a nice even damp soil. COME ON BABY!!!!!! LIVE!!!!!
 
I guess it's OK to burn the toast as long as you don't set it on fire? Just remember this: A tree that is dead wont use water, a tree that is dying wont use much either, the plan is not to put yourself into that perdicament of having to juggle watering regements. You can yell at a tree to live but if you are not providing what it needs it cannot respond. At 105 degrees almost any presence of a miniscule amount of moisture can be felt with the hand, this does not mean there is enough to keep a tree alive. But; you can do what you want or what you think is correct the proof is in whether or not your trees are living or dying. If this is your method of watering cactus would be a better choice for you. A procumbens Juniper is native to Japan----there are no deserts in Japan and this tree needs more than what you have been giving it.

You can say or believe that I don't know what I am talking about and keep asking yourself why you keep killing trees or you have a tree that is dying, makes no difference to me. In the 57 years I have been growing bonsai there is one thing I know; I still have much to learn, it's a good thing to consider this lesson.
 
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Its been in the upper 80s to mid 90s here the last few days with fairly low humidity. I check my trees once a day in the evening and a few of them in small pots need water pretty much every day if its not raining. I have stuff in larger training pots that need water every 2-3 days depending. The bigger pines every 3 days the deciduous every 1-2 days depending on the species and what pot its in.
 
Vance.... I don't recall having rejected any of your suggestions nor did say I didn't believe you have the experience to help out in my situation... I believe you have mentioned a few time now that you have 57 years of experience so I welcome you input... However, I'm sensing a bit of hostility coming my direction and I'm not sure I gave you cause. I'm here to get help and can't thank all of you enough for taking the time to post. Granted I have only been doing Bonsai for a few years and don't have many trees at the moment but FYI I have only killed one... Evidently Jades are not very forgiving when knocked off a counter. (first and last jade) So with that said I'm not asking myself why I keep killing trees but why am I so damn clumsy. My current issue is only with this particular juniper.
Again, I would like to thank you and everyone else for your in put. I'm hoping with better watering and the addition to the shade cloth my shrub will make it.
 
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Vance.... I don't recall having rejected any of your suggestions nor did say I didn't believe you have the experience to help out in my situation... I believe you have mentioned a few time now that you have 57 years of experience so I welcome you input... However, I'm sensing a bit of hostility coming my direction and I'm not sure I gave you cause. I'm here to get help and can't thank all of you enough for taking the time to post. Granted I have only been doing Bonsai for a few years and don't have many trees at the moment but FYI I have only killed one... Evidently Jades are not very forgiving when knocked off a counter. (first and last jade) So with that said I'm not asking myself why I keep killing trees but why am I so damn clumsy. My current issue is only with this particular juniper.
Again, I would like to thank you and everyone else for your in put. I'm hoping with better watering and the addition to the shade cloth my shrub will make it.

I did not mean to seem hostile but there are so many out there that seem to think water is your bonsai's enemy and water very sparingly---then turn around and curse the fact that they lose trees.
 
I did not mean to seem hostile but there are so many out there that seem to think water is your bonsai's enemy and water very sparingly---then turn around and curse the fact that they lose trees.

You did sound pretty hostile Vance but it's okay we all sound that way sometimes and often don't intend it. By the way you are very respected by many myself included. :-)
 
@ Vance No hard feelings Vance! I honestly do appreciate the feedback and admire and respect your experience.
@ Milehigh LOL I only have 5 trees at the moment one ficus I couldn't kill with an atom bomb and 4 elms which are totally user friendly. I think ill stay away from any further junipers till I sort out this mess! Arizona is totally different from growing in NYC.
 
Ficus and Elm are, as you say, sort of bullet proof. A serious problem I see here with your experience kind of show cases what some seem to think is the proper way to water Conifers. It is aledged that conifers do not like a lot of water. In most cases I would agree to that. However; there are other conifers that do like a constant source of water, while not being tolerant of "having their feet wet".

For years I was informed by the generally accepted cannon on conifer care, that Pines don't like a lot of water. This same thought process lumped Mugo Pines into this while, as a side bar, claimied that Mugos are difficult to care for. The truth is that you cannot treat Mugo Pines as a Ponderosa Pine, or a JWP, or a Japanese Black Pine. I found early on, when I decided to take the tree seriously, a whole list of standard practices accepted as gospel were in fact false and destructive.

Avoiding a long discussion on Mugo care and for the sake of this string we will look at water. I found that Mugos like a lot of water but they do indeed do not like having their feet wet. This creates a dance around soil components where it is necessary to have a well draining soil followed by an exposure to a larger watering schedule. Trying to make up for this trait by turing your soil mix into mud is self dereating. The Mugo needs two traits a fast draining soil provides. Drainage and resperation. Every time you water the water drives the air out of the soil, it's draining from the soil sucks fresh air into the soil and prevents the growth of the fungus that causes root rot. If your soil stays wet the fungus can form, and the tree might get root rot and die. If you hold off on watering, waiting for the mud mix to dry or have a fast draining soil and think to keep the tree dry, some of these trees may die from thirst. For the sake of this post are four trees that need a lot of water, or better put a more frequent watering schedule and shorter dry time. These would be Mugo, and Scots Pines, and some of the Juniper species--- and let is not leave out Hinoki Cypress.
 
You are right on the money about the Hinoki Cypress. I don't think I have ever had a conifer take in the enormous amount of water that my Hinoki needs.
 
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