Where to get itoigawa Shinpaku?

[Njyamadori]

Hey everyone. Someone on Facebook showed me some itoitgawa and I found one that I might possibly buy . He’s gonna pot up some kishu he also has and show me. I just wanted to know if this is worth the $75 and probably $20 shipping ?

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

This is roughly the price bonsai stores around here ask for material like this.
But believe me, once you get it, you'll find some cheap ones shortly afterwards and wonder why you didn't wait a little longer. It is what it is, that's how life works.
Happened to me three times already.

If you get it before spring, you can stike 4 or 5 cuttings (5-12 dollars a piece in the current market) and maybe earn half of the money back in year two. Depending on the state it's in, and your successful strike rate of course.

 

[PA_Penjing]

Far as I have ever seen that's about as far as $75 will get you with a shim(n)paku. They aren't really a landscape shrub here so you buy them at "bonsai prices" haha.

 

[Carol 83]

But believe me, once you get it, you'll find some cheap ones shortly afterwards and wonder why you didn't wait a little longer. It is what it is, that's how life works.

Yep, been there done that.

 

[vancehanna]

OP is correct; It is shiNpaku. Typed (s-h-i-n-n-p-a-k-u) on a Japanese keyboard. Unfortunately the old Hepburn Japanese system decided to romanize any (n)-sound followed my a bilabial consonant with by changing the n to an m. People still spell it this way because it for a relatively brief time was the status quo.

You see it all over.　新宿=Shinjuku , but 新橋=Shimbashi (with an m) but only sometimes. This extinct rule of romanization is used about as often as it is ignored.

Domo ar e gato! now we'll be corrected and use the above pronunciation!

 

[Potawatomi13]

*shimpaku

You might be able to get a seedling on etsy for that. Maybe ebay too, but dont expect much for under 50$

The PROPER spelling is with an N! There is no M sound in Japanese.

 

[leatherback]

I just wanted to know if this is worth the $75 and probably $20 shipping ?

Hard to tell from this picture. We cannot see the trunkline. And this is really what you want to have a look at. A straight think stick - leave it. A twisted thumb thick trunk and it is absolutely worth it.

Pay particular attention to the shape over the length of the trunk. If these are grown semi-commercially theiy will have been wired young. Planted in the ground for 2-5 years, left alone and then trimmed once at potting time. Often these have a twist or 2 down low, followed by a straight section and a few twists again on top. You want to avoid those with very straight sections in them. Ideally littly curves and bends throughout, in different size and direction.. (Which reminds me, I have a bunch of 2-year old cuttings to wire up!)

 

[leatherback]

My fantasy sais it might be very interesting

 

[BonsaiDTLA]

My fantasy sais it might be very interesting

I have a wild imagination too

 

[leatherback]

I have a wild imagination too

willing to help a person out and suggest where you think the trunkline is?

 

[BonsaiDTLA]

willing to help a person out and suggest where you think the trunkline is?

Seems like it was sent as a video, which would be more telling and accurate. Best option for OP Is to ask for clear photos.

But since you asked so kindly, here's the good stuff

 

[Njyamadori]

Yeah it was a video and it was crazy with deadwood . But the only problem is that the trunk is like a stick thick. I’m gonna wait for pictures of the kishu

 

[Njyamadori]

If anyone here would like to sell raw stock/ cuttings under $100 let me know !

 

[Enfield Snapper]

There is no M sound in Japanese.

There is absolutely no truth to that.

 

[Njyamadori]

There is absolutely no truth to that.

Well when spelling Shimpaku in kanji but there is in hiragana and katana

 

[Enfield Snapper]

Well when spelling Shimpaku in kanji but there is in hiragana and katana

Potawatomi said there's no M sound in Japanese, which is completely false. There are plenty of words with that sound in them. Any time the consonant ん (N) comes before a syllable beginning with a bilabial sound (B, P, M) it becomes an M in pronunciation, which you seem to already know. There's no character to write an M in isolation (maybe that's what Potawatomi was trying to say) but there are 5 syllables that include the sound, plus the instances mentioned earlier where N morphs into M. The writing system being used doesn't change the pronunciation. Shinpaku and shimpaku are equivalent and should be pronounced as shimpaku.

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

Potawatomi said there's no M sound in Japanese, which is completely false. There are plenty of words with that sound in them. Any time the consonant ん (N) comes before a syllable beginning with a bilabial sound (B, P, M) it becomes an M in pronunciation, which you seem to already know. There's no character to write an M in isolation (maybe that's what Potawatomi was trying to say) but there are 5 syllables that include the sound, plus the instances mentioned earlier where N morphs into M. The writing system being used doesn't change the pronunciation. Shinpaku and shimpaku are equivalent and should be pronounced as shimpaku.

Or.. We just acknowledge that when language crosses borders, we should be happy that at least most of it is preserved.
The correct name in English would be Juniperus Chinensis var. Sargentii (first described by A. Henry in 1912 for an entire population of Japanese varieties of chinensis, later more commonly described by Iwatsuki K., Yamazaki T., Boufford, D.E., and Ohba H. (eds.). 1995. Flora of Japan, Volume 1. Pteridophyta and Gymnospermae. Tokyo, Japan: Kodansha. Pp. xv and 263-288.). Since Iwatsuki et al. have the first official registration in modern nomenclature, shinpaku with an N is the name that's legally binding.
Say what you want about the Japanese language, nomenclature works with the first notion being the official one.

As far as I know, based on ploidy numbers and some meager genetic analysis found in literature, shinpaku seem to be a hybrid between chinensis and tsukusiensis. It's neither a pure chinensis nor a sargentii.
This means we might be all wrong about it and it would be something like Juniperus chinensis x tsukusiensis var. itoigawa or var. kishu. IF these varieties are even official.

 

[Potawatomi13]

Potawatomi said there's no M sound in Japanese, which is completely false. There are plenty of words with that sound in them. Any time the consonant ん (N) comes before a syllable beginning with a bilabial sound (B, P, M) it becomes an M in pronunciation, which you seem to already know. There's no character to write an M in isolation (maybe that's what Potawatomi was trying to say) but there are 5 syllables that include the sound, plus the instances mentioned earlier where N morphs into M. The writing system being used doesn't change the pronunciation. Shinpaku and shimpaku are equivalent and should be pronounced as shimpaku.

Perhaps should have said no m in alphabet instead. Nevertheless

Since Iwatsuki et al. have the first official registration in modern nomenclature, shinpaku with an N is the name that's legally binding.

So there!

 

[SouthernMaple]

Remember my advice about joining a bonsai club and helping members with their trees? Here’s another good thing. Trees get pruned when they’re styled. And shinpaku juniper grows easily from cuttings. So, the discarded branches from pruning get stuck in so soil, and with a bit of aftercare, you can have a new tree.

Also, I’d start with Kishu rather than Itoigawa. It’s less “touchy”. I have both, but really, I prefer Kishu, so that’s what I use when I graft shinpaku onto other junipers.

I thought Kishu was considered inferior because it doesn't grow as quicklyand it is more sucseptible to mites

 

[Potawatomi13]

I thought Kishu was considered inferior because it doesn't grow as quicklyand it is more sucseptible to mites

Excellent points!