Where to cut my 5 needle??

[johng]

I am not saying that someone in a hot climate can a pine alive for more than 4 years. However, as far as I know, I have never seen it.

Rob

Both myself and my good friend brought back large grafted JWP from Japan in 2000...both are alive and doing well 13 years later in South Carolina. On top of that I have had a 3 inch JWP from Suthin since 2005....no way a mame size white pine should live in this heat I have also been keeping a zuishio airlayer for about 5 years from Julian Adams....its doing great and recently just got some wire

One other thing to note...Many JWP for bonsai are field grown on Shikoku Island in Southern Japan...Same latitude as Charlotte, NC!! It was 80 degrees when I was there in late Nov. 2000.
The original grower of my tree, Hiro Yamaji (Sp?) was very impressed with the development of both the pines we purchased when he saw them here about 5 years ago in a workshop.

No secrets...except I avoid the hottest parts of the day during the summer...only sun up to midday. I leave the trees fully exposed on the benches in the winter.

All that said, I am not sure I have seen any one further south than me keep them successfully.

John

 

[garywood]

John, I completely agree with you in the majority but latitude is only a measure of daylight length for the most part. Costal, continental, mountain, all have determinates that affect plants that have evolved in specific environs. The big question is can we replicate or approximate these conditions. Brian Van Fleet has an intimate knowledge of WP growing in central Alabama for decades. I often wonder how much credence we place in "hearsay"

 

[johng]

John, I completely agree with you in the majority but latitude is only a measure of daylight length for the most part. Costal, continental, mountain, all have determinates that affect plants that have evolved in specific environs. The big question is can we replicate or approximate these conditions. Brian Van Fleet has an intimate knowledge of WP growing in central Alabama for decades. I often wonder how much credence we place in "hearsay"

I agree with you Gary about latitude in general...but here is something a little more to the point about the climate of Shikoku Island...photos of Mr. Iwasaki's collection of white pines growing in the parking lot of a bowling alley under huge palm trees...

Here is driving into the parking lot...notice the palms...not a tree that grows well with any real cold

now the trees...the trunks of the palms can be seen in the background

 

[daygan]

One other thing to note...Many JWP for bonsai are field grown on Shikoku Island in Southern Japan...Same latitude as Charlotte, NC!!

..and the yearly average temperatures are about the same, except Shikoku's coldest average temperatures in the winter are actually three degrees warmer than Charlotte.

 

[october]

Both myself and my good friend brought back large grafted JWP from Japan in 2000...both are alive and doing well 13 years later in South Carolina. On top of that I have had a 3 inch JWP from Suthin since 2005....no way a mame size white pine should live in this heat I have also been keeping a zuishio airlayer for about 5 years from Julian Adams....its doing great and recently just got some wire

One other thing to note...Many JWP for bonsai are field grown on Shikoku Island in Southern Japan...Same latitude as Charlotte, NC!! It was 80 degrees when I was there in late Nov. 2000.
The original grower of my tree, Hiro Yamaji (Sp?) was very impressed with the development of both the pines we purchased when he saw them here about 5 years ago in a workshop.

No secrets...except I avoid the hottest parts of the day during the summer...only sun up to midday. I leave the trees fully exposed on the benches in the winter.

All that said, I am not sure I have seen any one further south than me keep them successfully.

John

That is good to know. I probably should have been more specific when I said "hot climate". I was more referring to places that get little if any winter. For example Africa, which is where Neli is located.

Rob

 

[Neli]

That is good to know. I probably should have been more specific when I said "hot climate". I was more referring to places that get little if any winter. For example Africa, which is where Neli is located.

Rob

After I saw this post I went and checked the minimum winter temps at the island and found the lows at 7C, while mine are 6C. Probably their lows last longer thought and they are more consistent...mine are 6C mostly at night only.
Climate in Zambia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Zambia

 

[daygan]

After I saw this post I went and checked the minimum winter temps at the island and found the lows at 7C, while mine are 6C. Probably their lows last longer thought and they are more consistent...mine are 6C mostly at night only.
Climate in Zambia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Zambia

Actually, Neli, I see other data that says that their average min is 2 degrees Celcius, so they may still be a bit cooler than you. Still, only a few degrees away I'm still betting on the cold room solution for you.

 

[Neli]

Cold room is a must. I agree.

 

[Paulpash]

I'm guessing lack of humidity is going to be a big problem in a freezer or refrigerator. Anybody have any solutions?

Come live in the UK - pi**ing it down now and freezing cold. I'm just looking at my white pine planted in the garden happily swaying about in the wind. It's the only time I will ever get to gloat over people living in Zambia & Florida with great weather & a tan so I'm going all in now

 

[Neli]

He he he! Having moderate climate especially for people like me that dont like cold, also can be good. Just hope I will not kill my pines.