Potawatomi13
Imperial Masterpiece
Be aware bog trees can have long running roots instead of compact feeder roots and not be collectible. Please do not kill trees needlessly
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What I Have Learned From Pitch Pine So Far
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Shogun610
Masterpiece
Just be careful bogs are most definitely protected.
jaycraig
Yamadori
i’ve been told early fall is also appropriate for pitch pine as it all come down too after care, appropriate shelter, heat mat if needed and not moving the trees too much to disturb the root
Shogun610
Masterpiece
Yes however that applies mostly to Pitch Pine where little root disturbances can occur such as a rock pocket. And of course the health of the tree. I collected a pitch pine end of May and it doing well , little root disturbance occurred and the root may had tons of fine roots. Of course I had to sacrifice the actual angle of the teee to lay the roots all down flat while it recovers. But also the heat May is an important factor .. built a best mat into a wood collection box.. layer of pumice and the specimen then fill the rest with pumice.. once temperatures dip keeping the roots around 60 degrees all winter and proving wind protection
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jaycraig
Yamadori
ohhhh ok i get it now, i’ve seen first hand some of the trees here have really deep roots. so if i do collect now wouldn’t a deeper pot be preferable than a wide grow box?
Shogun610
Masterpiece
You can make a wooden grow box however deep you want .. with pumice. Wood is just preferable because you an customize it to suit the root mass .. and allows for aeration and moisture holding capacity from pumice and the wood as well.
jaycraig
Yamadori
gotcha. thank you
Yes, but if you protect the newly collected tree from winds and temps below freezing you should be good should you not?
For successfully collecting PP in the fall you need to be able to collect ALL the surrounding soil with the root ball. Once the soil comes away from the roots or the roots are damaged chances are that the tree is done. Also, my experience is that the field soil should stay with the roots for more than a full season. I have lost good trees not following this
jaycraig
Yamadori
that’s heartbreaking sorry to hear my man. this will be my first fall collecting so i’ll try not to collect the more desired trees, if my logical thinking can beat my impatienceFor successfully collecting PP in the fall you need to be able to collect ALL the surrounding soil with the root ball. Once the soil comes away from the roots or the roots are damaged chances are that the tree is done. Also, my experience is that the field soil should stay with the roots for more than a full season. I have lost good trees not following this
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
It's a very delicate balance. Can't be too cold for the and cant be too warm to effect dormancy. Watering is always an issue. Since winter is around the corner, the tree will sit for months with no growth. Risky imo.
IMO it's much less risky to collect at the beginning of the growing season when the tree can actually work towards recovery.
Protected by whom, from what?
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
I think he means that in some places they are considered protected habitat and collection is not allowed.
Shogun610
Masterpiece
Protected habitat , natural area
Hmmm...I live in a different world I guess.
Shogun610
Masterpiece
East coast is different, since the area is highly populated , alot of state parks , natural areas/ preserves are protected and getting permission is a arduous process(even though it has been done and I have done it).. Permission on Private land ,private organizations , local municipalities is easier route.
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
Depends on the state and what their regulations are
Here in NY there is no collection allowed on state lands. Actually prohibited in the regulations. I've never looked into county lands but I suspect it's the same.
I think Shogun nailed the reasons. Highly populated area, relatively less open space compared to out west most of which is designated parks and natural areas
Here in NY there is no collection allowed on state lands. Actually prohibited in the regulations. I've never looked into county lands but I suspect it's the same.
I think Shogun nailed the reasons. Highly populated area, relatively less open space compared to out west most of which is designated parks and natural areas
Maine is very different. 94% of forested land is privately owned ( a small portion is owned by the state and 1.06% is federally owned). Collection can be a matter of a door knock or a phone call and a hand shake. Many people manage their land for forestry products (lumber and pulp) so careful explanation of your intent is important. Letting them know your interested in the “funky little twisted trees” that are otherwise unusable to logging goes a long way. I was out fly fishing, not collecting unfortunately, and had the opportunity to ask a logging crew if I could hypothetically “grab some small trees” and was told that they didn’t care as long as I wasn’t in an active area. They wanted the big ones, the small ones are at the mercy of the skidders. All that said, I don’t even know if they technically had the authority to grant that permission but it’s probably enough to keep me out of trouble should I be in the position of having to explain what I was doing. Anyway, that’s kind of how it works in the boonies up here. Not asking can get you a charge of timber trespass and timber theft theft or worse.
Colorado
Masterpiece
Now you’re just bragging
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