Turntable display stand for VERY LARGE bonsai

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I decided to put together a turntable for my very large live oak bonsai. If you have large and extremely large trees, this might be useful, or you may have figured out your own solutions for rotating trees for sun exposure.

I used to be able to rotate the tree in its old pot by myself since it was about 75 lbs lighter and less bulky. Adequate sun exposure is becoming an issue in my yard since the woods behind the house are beginning to shade out a lot of direct afternoon sun. Some lower limbs were not getting direct sun at all, which could cause decline and death of those limbs. Live oak like a lot of sun.

The tree was repotted into a very large pot this past spring. That repot left me unable to lift and turn it by myself. It weighs over 200 lbs and is too bulky to safely support alone. I looked around for a turntable that would last. The lazy susan hardware from Home Depot that I had been using lasts about three years before it rusts out from the water and fertilizer being dumped on it all spring and summer.

Finally came up with a large bonsai turntable that doesn't have any metal parts. They're available from Masakuni, but I couldn't get their website to work, so I found one on ebay for less and that wouldn't take two months to get here from Japan. It's the same turntable only not sold with the name. The one I got is their largest at 15" in length. It is rated to hold 100 kilograms (about 220 lbs). Haven't weighed the tree, but it's approaching that--takes at least two people to lift it. The moving parts are resin and plastic--there are no ball bearings, which are replaced with half round plastic sliders--sounds cheap, but it works very well--even with maximum weight on them--Don't know how long it will last, but I'd bet longer than the metal lazy susan rings from Big Box.

Anyway, I also had to figure out a way to get the thing underneath the pot safely and--since it is considerably shorter than the bottom of the pot--how it could be safely used. That much weight pressing down on a 15" area not meant to support the weight of the pot/soil and tree could punch the turntable through the bottom, or lead to stress cracking, or complete catastrophe. Pots are meant to support weight at their corners and edges (feet), not across broad pieces of unsupported clay.

Additionally, the pot's drain holes are all in the center in the same area where the turntable would butt up against the bottom. Having that obstruction could lead to bad drainage problems.

I fitted two planks to fit the top of the turntable with two or three inches in between them to allow drainage. I also figured out that I could put lengths of wood under the feet of the pot that were half an inch taller than the turntable. I can lift the ends of the pot up onto those taller blocks while the turntable isn't needed and then shift the pot back down onto the turntable surface when I want to turn it.
 

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I was working on a boat project the other day and relized the stuff they sell on Amazon to mount jon boat seats would probably work good for large bonsais, they are rated to hold up people and most had swivle tops for around $30. Of course you could mount PT lumber on top instead of a boat seat.
 
I was working on a boat project the other day and relized the stuff they sell on Amazon to mount jon boat seats would probably work good for large bonsais, they are rated to hold up people and most had swivle tops for around $30. Of course you could mount PT lumber on top instead of a boat seat.
A boat seat swivel was actually plan B if this turntable collapsed. The boat swivel was more expensive, but possibly more durable. They also have a higher profile than the bonsai turntable, which can be a good thing or a bad thing.
 
I decided to put together a turntable for my very large live oak bonsai. If you have large and extremely large trees, this might be useful, or you may have figured out your own solutions for rotating trees for sun exposure.

I used to be able to rotate the tree in its old pot by myself since it was about 75 lbs lighter and less bulky. Adequate sun exposure is becoming an issue in my yard since the woods behind the house are beginning to shade out a lot of direct afternoon sun. Some lower limbs were not getting direct sun at all, which could cause decline and death of those limbs. Live oak like a lot of sun.

The tree was repotted into a very large pot this past spring. That repot left me unable to lift and turn it by myself. It weighs over 200 lbs and is too bulky to safely support alone. I looked around for a turntable that would last. The lazy susan hardware from Home Depot that I had been using lasts about three years before it rusts out from the water and fertilizer being dumped on it all spring and summer.

Finally came up with a large bonsai turntable that doesn't have any metal parts. They're available from Masakuni, but I couldn't get their website to work, so I found one on ebay for less and that wouldn't take two months to get here from Japan. It's the same turntable only not sold with the name. The one I got is their largest at 15" in length. It is rated to hold 100 kilograms (about 220 lbs). Haven't weighed the tree, but it's approaching that--takes at least two people to lift it. The moving parts are resin and plastic--there are no ball bearings, which are replaced with half round plastic sliders--sounds cheap, but it works very well--even with maximum weight on them--Don't know how long it will last, but I'd bet longer than the metal lazy susan rings from Big Box.

Anyway, I also had to figure out a way to get the thing underneath the pot safely and--since it is considerably shorter than the bottom of the pot--how it could be safely used. That much weight pressing down on a 15" area not meant to support the weight of the pot/soil and tree could punch the turntable through the bottom, or lead to stress cracking, or complete catastrophe. Pots are meant to support weight at their corners and edges (feet), not across broad pieces of unsupported clay.

Additionally, the pot's drain holes are all in the center in the same area where the turntable would butt up against the bottom. Having that obstruction could lead to bad drainage problems.

I fitted two planks to fit the top of the turntable with two or three inches in between them to allow drainage. I also figured out that I could put lengths of wood under the feet of the pot that were half an inch taller than the turntable. I can lift the ends of the pot up onto those taller blocks while the turntable isn't needed and then shift the pot back down onto the turntable surface when I want to turn it.
I would like more info on where to buy the turn table.
 
I would like more info on where to buy the turn table.
I found it on Ebay as "Bonsai Maintenance Turntable Bias Light Stand 15.7" 40cm K200" If you look around, you can get them for around $60 or so. I've seen as high as $100, though.
 
I found it on Ebay as "Bonsai Maintenance Turntable Bias Light Stand 15.7" 40cm K200" If you look around, you can get them for around $60 or so. I've seen as high as $100, though.
Thank you!
 
one large metal pan with marbles, and another pan in a slightly smaller diameter, set on top of the marbles.
Unless the bonsai on top is heavy enough to crush the marbles.
 
Unless the bonsai on top is heavy enough to crush the marbles.
Glass marbles can take pressure, but not impact. That said, it takes tons of pressure to crush a marble. Distribute that weight over 100 marbles...you get the idea.
 
Glass marbles can take pressure, but not impact. That said, it takes tons of pressure to crush a marble. Distribute that weight over 100 marbles...you get the idea.
No thanks. I get the idea, but not really practical for the weight of the tree--by the time I locate and source marbles and a metal pan that's sturdy enough to support the tree without bending, it's a wash for a simple purpose-made turntable.

Also, thinking about it, stray grit in the marble pan would present an issue as well--grit isn't a friend of glass.
 
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I have two of the resin turntables, they used to be hard to find a few years ago, glad to see you found one. They are bombproof, I leave my largest trees on them in the summer.
 
one large metal pan with marbles, and another pan in a slightly smaller diameter, set on top of the marbles.
Stainless steel pans strong enough to not be dented by the marbles will bring the cost to par with buying the table.
I am pretty handy and have done many homemade things but $100 or less for a durable turn table is within my means. This allows me to focus my time on bonsai instead of bonsai tools.
 
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Stainless steel pans strong enough to not be dented by the marbles will bring the cost to par with buying the table.
I am pretty handy and have done many homemade things but $100 or less for a durable turn table is within my means. This allows me to focus my time on bonsai instead of bonsai tools.
If I were to make a turn table to my bonsai, I would not use bearings at all. I would use pieces of UHMW as sliding cushions between two surfaces. It would take some effort to turn but then wherever it stops I don't have to create a brake to stop it from spinning so freely if I use bearings.
Come to think of it, I will make some.
 
If I were to make a turn table to my bonsai, I would not use bearings at all. I would use pieces of UHMW as sliding cushions between two surfaces. It would take some effort to turn but then wherever it stops I don't have to create a brake to stop it from spinning so freely if I use bearings.
Come to think of it, I will make some.
The turntable above doesn't have metal bearings and uses similar plastic to UHMW. Thing spins like a record player with the tree on it. Funny that it spins BETTER with the maximum weight on it. A significantly lighter tree wouldn't turn as easily. I don't know how long those plastic domes will last until they're worn down, but it will likely last longer than the metal bearings in typical lazy susan hardware. Those don't last very long under the constant daily drenching and fertilizer run off from the tree above.

I'm working on another idea for large (but not as large) trees as well. More on that later.
 
I have all the parts to build one, in storage right now, to overkill status... I am using phenolic board for the top and bottom since I can get it free from the company my wife works on. This are used for bathroom partitions and I can get phenolic or HDPE. I am using a 1000 lb rated lazy susan from Amazon. I tested it with me standing on top of it with 2 pieces of plywood and it rotated flawlessly. I also looked at the aluminum ones, the commercial 18" is rated at 380 lb, the 20" at 450 lb. The one I bought is similar to the design used in lazy boy recliners.
 
I have one like that that has marbles as bearings. @rockm , have you taken yours apart?
 
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