shohin_branches
Chumono
Pulling a Nick Lenz?
I watch the Kia Boyz drive up and down my street while I garden. They'd rather steal cars than trees but I have a fence, security cameras, and the good ones bolted down.
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I watch the Kia Boyz drive up and down my street while I garden. They'd rather steal cars than trees but I have a fence, security cameras, and the good ones bolted down.
pandacular
Masterpiece
I'll tell you what isn't sensationalized: the huge breakdown in communication about discussing problems with people with different views. Certainly I'm guilty of engaging in that too. It seems that we all agree--and I don't just mean the folks on this thread, but all of us--that we have a broken criminal justice system. Sadly all the minutiae prevent us from working together to fix it.
pandacular
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I would love to hear about your experience with air tags when you have some more experience with them. By then, my collection might be worth the investment.I’ve also started burying air tags at every tree’s repot
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Bricker918
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Well said
pandacular
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I'm not arguing about whether self defense is moral. I'm saying it's not an action I would personally take from a rational level--of course there's no accounting for instinct in the moment.
Passive resistance to violence is an incredibly common philosophy, espoused most famously by Plato, Jesus of Nazareth, Dr. King, not to mention the entire continuum from Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism (while acknowledging that there is of course an incredibly wide array of views within those labels).
I am a radical pacifist in that take after Plato--the lesser man cannot make worse the better, even in death and disparagement--and Jesus of Nazareth, probably my favorite example being Luke 6:27. The radicalness in this is that it means I believe I would rather take a beating than return one. In this radical stance, I don't expect others to understand it, and I certainly don't moralize about how others behave in this capacity; I find it somewhat rude to imply that I am.
I actually wrote my philosophy thesis on reconciling this topic with the idea of defense of the defenseless, mostly from the perspective of (my neo-platonist reading of) John Rawls. And I may be a platonist but even I try to avoid saying things like "objective truth and morality" without any pretense.
You should figure out how to use the quote feature properly; currently, most of your quote replies you put your response within the quote block, which is confusing. (okay not that last one
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Passive resistance to violence is an incredibly common philosophy, espoused most famously by Plato, Jesus of Nazareth, Dr. King, not to mention the entire continuum from Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism (while acknowledging that there is of course an incredibly wide array of views within those labels).
I am a radical pacifist in that take after Plato--the lesser man cannot make worse the better, even in death and disparagement--and Jesus of Nazareth, probably my favorite example being Luke 6:27. The radicalness in this is that it means I believe I would rather take a beating than return one. In this radical stance, I don't expect others to understand it, and I certainly don't moralize about how others behave in this capacity; I find it somewhat rude to imply that I am.
I actually wrote my philosophy thesis on reconciling this topic with the idea of defense of the defenseless, mostly from the perspective of (my neo-platonist reading of) John Rawls. And I may be a platonist but even I try to avoid saying things like "objective truth and morality" without any pretense.
You should figure out how to use the quote feature properly; currently, most of your quote replies you put your response within the quote block, which is confusing. (okay not that last one
)
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You might find this article helpful: https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-pacifism.htmlI'm not arguing about whether self defense is moral. I'm saying it's not an action I would personally take from a rational level--of course there's no accounting for instinct in the moment.
Passive resistance to violence is an incredibly common philosophy, espoused most famously by Plato, Jesus of Nazareth, Dr. King, not to mention the entire continuum from Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism (while acknowledging that there is of course an incredibly wide array of views within those labels).
I am a radical pacifist in that take after Plato--the lesser man cannot make worse the better, even in death and disparagement--and Jesus of Nazareth, probably my favorite example being Luke 6:27. The radicalness in this is that it means I believe I would rather take a beating than return one. In this radical stance, I don't expect others to understand it, and I certainly don't moralize about how others behave in this capacity; I find it somewhat rude to imply that I am.
I actually wrote my philosophy thesis on reconciling this topic with the idea of defense of the defenseless, mostly from the perspective of (my neo-platonist reading of) John Rawls. And I may be a platonist but even I try to avoid saying things like "objective truth and morality" without any pretense.
You should figure out how to use the quote feature properly; currently, most of your quote replies you put your response within the quote block, which is confusing. (okay not that last one
It answers the long standing debate whether God and His Word are inherently and universally pacifist in nature and practice.
If you detach the Triune God of the OT from the NT, then you unhinge whatever belief you claim regarding Christ and the NT (anything that would bolster your claims). As a student of the Scriptures I will tell you pacifism is a broad characteristic of Christian living, but with boundaries.
The Sermon on the Mount and beatitudes and turning the other cheek is not radical pacifism. That is personal, not a collective or national pacifist command regarding defense or war. Interpreting Scripture through the lens of secular worldviews and ideologies automatically eliminates the need or the action of claiming its association with the Scripture. The reason is you’re redefining the author, the meaning, and the authority in order to justify the worldview. That’s not sustainable.
Avoiding terms like “objective truth” and “morality” is fine, but it’s not practical when making any truth claim or adhering to an epistemology. It is inherently and fundamentally self refuting.
pandacular
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I'm not a Christian, but I have extensively studied the New Testament--hell, I went to Catholic school! Trust me when I say that I'm not interested in reading a Christian proselytization blog on the subject. I am mostly interested in the Jesus of Nazareth as presented in Luke, which is as you know somewhat the black sheep. I also hold the Gnostic texts to be part of my canon of Jesus. He is an interesting character to me specifically because he is so radically different from the perspective of different writers, in different communites, which is just amplified by the changes of those communities over time.
I'm sure none of the other people in this thread want to hear us argue over who's Jesus is better, so I'll leave it at that.
I'm sure none of the other people in this thread want to hear us argue over who's Jesus is better, so I'll leave it at that.
ShadyStump
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@pandacular @Bonsai Forest
I believe this conversation is well worth continuing if you feel the need, but there are better places.
I believe this conversation is well worth continuing if you feel the need, but there are better places.
shohin_branches
Chumono
I've heard that the courts assign value to bonsai trees based on equivalent landscape plants because bonsai pricing is "too subjective."
I've gotten enough incident slips to know calling the cops is practically useless. Even when I gave them clear security footage of someone breaking into my upstairs neighbor's car they did nothing and seemed irritated by it. When my car was stolen and recovered the police put the camera away and told me to "start it up" and I popped the hood first to check if my battery was stolen and there was no engine, and no manual transmission. One car kept driving by laughing out the window while I stood in the rain calling a tow truck at 1am surrounded by cops. They didn't question that car or knock on a single door. My car wasn't worth their time. The street racing gang stealing older Hondas for parts wasn't worth police time. I was treated as an inconvenience and lied to so I would "hurry up and get this car towed"
Now where I live in the city I know my neighbors. They know me. We have some crime, car thefts, occasional shooting, but we look out for each other because we all know we aren't rich enough to get the police to care. I talk to at least one or two neighbors most mornings while I'm watering my garden. Lots of old ladies walking around my neighborhood complimenting everyone on their flowers.
pandacular
Masterpiece
@shohin_branches your story reminded me of this classic scene. I hope it brings you levity rather than pain in remembering what sounds like horrible experience
shohin_branches
Chumono
@pandacular it's funny and accurate! That was a long time ago so it's a crazy story now. My friends had nicknamed that car Poverty and so things turned around for me once I was so broke that someone actually stole Poverty from me.
AJL
Chumono
I dont have any direct experience so I did a quick search- here is an explanation /review from a user on Amazon
An AirTag is a small Bluetooth device designed by Apple to help you find lost objects. When you attach the AirTag to an object, like keys or a bag, you can locate it using the “Locate” app on your iPhone, iPad, Mac, or Apple Watch. The AirTag uses Bluetooth to communicate with your device, and when you search for the lost item, it emits a sound that can be activated from the locate app to help you find it. Additionally, if you're out of Bluetooth range, you can use Apple's “Locate” network to find the AirTag's last known location or track its movements in real time if it moves.
If the AirTag remains inactive for too long, the object goes into lost mode and you will receive a notification, or if the object containing the AirTag moves away from the Apple product (s), you will receive a notification that the AirTag is moving and away from you, which is very practical, but the AirTag is not designed to track someone, it means that if you hide one on an individual, even if they have an Android product, will receive a notification that an unknown AirTag is in the shares designed
Presumably you would hide one in the tree pot within or under the root ball
One drawback is they aren't waterproof so you would have to put the airtag inside a waterproof case. The battery needs changing yearly
You need to have an Apple ID, and have a device such as an iPhone or iPad to track the AirTag device. If you don’t have this then you’ll have to look at devices by other manufacturers.
Does anyone on here use Airtags or similar devices to protect their valuable trees?
shohin_branches
Chumono
pandacular
Masterpiece
After some brief research, it seems these use bluetooth for location. I'm not sure how that would help you actually track down a tree, as if you're not in bluetooth range (a couple hundred feet) it will not be located. Actually, it seems that it tracks for ANYBODY who has this app, which also sounds sketchy. I wouldn't have high hopes for this unfortunately.
shohin_branches
Chumono
It uses a mesh network based off phones with the app to notify you of your device's last known location. It doesn't give others the location of your tool just pings a signal through their phone. You can also get push notifications when it leaves the geofence area.
pandacular
Masterpiece
This could make it worth it! I think I'm a little too data privacy (not to mention battery) sensitive to use the app, but if you do try, many of us would love to know how it works.
I'm not terribly confident in the ability of the app to perform as expected, or for it to be as prevalently used as it may need to be effective. Though perhaps everyone in Milwaukee buys the hometown brand
AJL
Chumono
According to Which ? Apple has confirmed that only you can see where your AirTag is – location data and history aren't saved on the tracker itself. It adds that 'not even Apple knows the location of your AirTag or the identity of the device that helps find it.
Apple uses a community-driven system to track down AirTags that have escaped their owners. Every iPhone, iPad and Mac connected to the Find My network around the world becomes a beacon that an AirTag in Lost Mode can communicate with.
AirTag sends out a secure Bluetooth signal that can be detected by those Find My network devices. The devices then send the location of the AirTag to iCloud, which means owners can see their tracker on a map. From the map, you'll see a timestamp that confirms when the last sighting was.
Apple uses a community-driven system to track down AirTags that have escaped their owners. Every iPhone, iPad and Mac connected to the Find My network around the world becomes a beacon that an AirTag in Lost Mode can communicate with.
AirTag sends out a secure Bluetooth signal that can be detected by those Find My network devices. The devices then send the location of the AirTag to iCloud, which means owners can see their tracker on a map. From the map, you'll see a timestamp that confirms when the last sighting was.
shohin_branches
Chumono
We all work for the hometown brandThis could make it worth it! I think I'm a little too data privacy (not to mention battery) sensitive to use the app, but if you do try, many of us would love to know how it works.
I'm not terribly confident in the ability of the app to perform as expected, or for it to be as prevalently used as it may need to be effective. Though perhaps everyone in Milwaukee buys the hometown brand
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