Soil Confusion!

[leatherback]

Never be too proud to teach or too humble to learn. Why even engage with them if youre gonna respond like that lol

Not everything people make up and write down need an explanation why their ideas are incorrect. Certainly not when requests for explanations are brought along the lines of personality attacks.

However, it is important that certain ideas are not propagated to avoid disappointment for other beginners who do not know what is correct information. Furthermore, the poster already explained why normal garden soil is not typically fine.

 

[Dav4]

@Pony Cannon , anyone who joins this forum and … that same day… Goes all in and locks horns with long-term and well respected members while taking a contrarian position… In a soil thread!!… must be a troll. I’ll pray for you… or maybe not.

 

[Pony Cannon]

Never be too proud to teach or too humble to learn. Why even engage with them if youre gonna respond like that lol

The word, nope, teaches no one no thing.

Yes the almighty leatherback, knows everything, but he doesn't share, his only word is nope.

Oh he is respected because he was been here longer, so his nope is more important, than any other, any words, any knowledge.

He can't be bothered to respond, to give his knowledge to correct me, or give his knowledge to anyone, he is the god, the sky, he is the very emperor of bonsai.

Yes I shall take his nope, and be humbled.

Oh great leatherback, strike me with your whips of secret knowledge, only you can be the true one.

 

[Desert O'Piñon]

@Pony Cannon
Nope.

 

[Desert O'Piñon]

@Pony Cannon , anyone who joins this forum and … that same day… Goes all in and locks horns with long-term and well respected members while taking a contrarian position… In a soil thread!!… must be a troll. I’ll pray for you… or maybe not.

Exactly.
There are SO many knowledgeable practitioners here, and in comes newbieramus telling all of you how wrong you've been all this time? I don't think so. To repeat @leatherback sentiment: Nope, Nope, and NOPE.

 

[Dav4]

Exactly.
There are SO many knowledgeable practitioners here, and in comes newbieramus telling all of you how wrong you've been all this time? I don't think so. To repeat @leatherback sentiment: Nope, Nope, and NOPE.

It’s like when I rode the subway in Boston everyday when I was in school… keep your eyes down/no eye contact if you can, and don’t say much if you don’t have to … “Nope”

 

[bpancakes]

Not everything people make up and write down need an explanation why their ideas are incorrect. Certainly not when requests for explanations are brought along the lines of personality attacks.

However, it is important that certain ideas are not propagated to avoid disappointment for other beginners who do not know what is correct information. Furthermore, the poster already explained why normal garden soil is not typically fine.

I was responding to Pony Cannon Im bad at using this forum on the phone and I agree

 

[Gabler]

But trees also grow in soil, so if you need to, just dig up some soil, and grow some trees in it.

Nope!

 

[Gabler]

Leatherback already explained.

 

[bpancakes]

Im laughing to myself about digging up soil to use.. I tried that a while time ago. I also get ~60" of rain a year. Didnt work out for me so well!

 

[Paradox]

Yea I tried to use common soil found here, mainly sand mixed with pea gravel. Stayed to wet believe it or not, roots didn't grow and my pots weighed a ton. Switched to a more open, conventional bonsai mix and got great root growth and the pots weren't so heavy to move around

 

[Desert O'Piñon]

So...
...I have found a nearly endless supply of this gravel. I would have to sift and sort it. The particle size seems good, and the angular shape looks right.
Downside is that it's most likely limestone, so the Ph might be high. Is this a feasible option as part of a soil mix?
Points to consider: Most of my trees are native, and so is the gravel, so slightly alkaline soil actually preferable.

 

[DeepSouth]

So...
...I have found a nearly endless supply of this gravel. I would have to sift and sort it. The particle size seems good, and the angular shape looks right.
Downside is that it's most likely limestone, so the Ph might be high. Is this a feasible option as part of a soil mix?
Points to consider: Most of my trees are native, and so is the gravel, so slightly alkaline soil actually preferable.

I don't think this gravel would add anything beneficial to your mix. It doesn't look porous at all, looks heavy, and if it is limestone, then definitely will mess up your alkalinity. Some trees may not mind so much, but I would not add this to any of my soils.

 

[Desert O'Piñon]

It doesn't look porous at all, looks heavy, and if it is limestone, then definitely will mess up your alkalinity..

10-4. Thanks for the input. I hadn't considered the porosity. I was going to try it in a mix with DE, perlite, and bark, and maybe a little coco coir, but the weight and the fact that it holds zero water definitely has me rethinking, even for free gravel (except for a little work).

 

[JasonL]

You have all told me that I should have my Junipers outside...my first tree (see above) I've had inside for 3 years with moderate growth, but you all said it would eventually die if I kept it inside. So upon that advice, I recently repotted it (same pot, trimmed roots, modified original soil) and left it outside...but it doesn't look well, like it's kind of a dull grey/green now instead of a nice rich green like in the picture above.

I've brought it back in the house for now...but I'm scared my oldest tree is now dieing... Have I killed my tree? Help!

 

[AshleyMammal]

I’ll respond here as well as in your other thread for the same question:

Being outside has not killed this tree.

How did you modify the original soil?
What are the outside temps like for you at the minute?
Was it given winter protection?
What was the repotting aftercare?
Has it dried out at all or stayed too wet?
Did you prune foliage at the same time as rootwork?
Has it ever been fertilised?

 

[JasonL]

I’ll respond here as well as in your other thread for the same question:

Being outside has not killed this tree.

How did you modify the original soil?
What are the outside temps like for you at the minute?
Was it given winter protection?
What was the repotting aftercare?
Has it dried out at all or stayed too wet?
Did you prune foliage at the same time as rootwork?
Has it ever been fertilised?

Responded in the other post (I'm panicking so I posted twice...oops)

 

[just.wing.it]

The word, nope, teaches no one no thing.

I got that fortune cookie once!

 

[Orion_metalhead]

You have all told me that I should have my Junipers outside...my first tree (see above) I've had inside for 3 years with moderate growth, but you all said it would eventually die if I kept it inside. So upon that advice, I recently repotted it (same pot, trimmed roots, modified original soil) and left it outside...but it doesn't look well, like it's kind of a dull grey/green now instead of a nice rich green like in the picture above.

I've brought it back in the house for now...but I'm scared my oldest tree is now dieing... Have I killed my tree? Help!

responded in other thread.

Id like to see @Pony Cannon's best tree in plain unamended soil he dug from his lawn and see how it compares in health to @leatherback's worst tree.

While Im here, a cheap soil mix from HD or lowes:

1 Part Compost
1 Part Perlite
1 Part Smallest stone you can find on the shelves (typically pea gravel).

This is a grow out mix for boxes/training pots, and grow out containers. Ive used it to good effect though with my own homemade greenwaste compost. This makes about a wheelbarrow full of soil for 15-20 bucks. Increase/decrease the compost component to adjust the water retentiveness.

 

[leatherback]

Id like to see @Pony Cannon's best tree in plain unamended soil he dug from his lawn and see how it compares in health to @leatherback's worst tree.

I see where you are going but I do not have this urge of proving mine is bigger.
I share how I do things happily and freely. That ther people do things different is up to them.

The pony is however showing typical troll behaviour, just trying to get a response.