MananaP
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Yes - i think he said 22 years from seed. You can see the bark is starting to flake/crack, that is close to 4" thick base. This tree is just over 3ft tall.
So what does 300.00 material look like?
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The 22 years sounds about right.
It’s the seed thing. You see, Zuisho is a genetic sport. Propagated by grafting or layering. Sometimes a cutting will take. They don’t, however, breed true. The seed revert back to being normal JWP.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
I also tend to agree on the age, but it’s likely a cutting or graft; cultivars can’t be seedlings by definition. Here is a Zuisho grafted by Brent in 2004. Photos from 2006 and in 2019 at 15 years old. I think I paid $75 for the 2-year old tree, and I’d assume it’s worth more than $300 now; trunk is approaching 3”.
I'm surprised to see a JWP doing so well in Birmingham. is it because of JBP rootstock?
MananaP
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Maybe you guys are correct, i do however believe this guy as he is the only Japanese propagator in our area for these JWP. Every year he brings dozens of Zuisho white pine from seed, usually 5-8 years of age(he claims and backed up by hobbyist in our area). I would say he is in the caliber of Tak Yamaura which is known for his Tsukomo.
MananaP
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Nice - not grafted(i am certain), if you guys are right maybe cuttings but highly doubt it. His trees has never seen the ground and all are pot grown.
I have a couple Zuisho that were propagated by air layering branches off of another tree.
Any seedling cannot, by definition, be a “Zuisho”. Zuisho cultivar has a specific set of genetics that can only be propagated by grafting, cutting, or layering, either ground layering or air layering.
Seeds are produced by sex, the female cone and the male pollen. Even from the same plant, the genetics of the seed would differ from the parent.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Not sure, but some people have good results growing JWP here. Several club members have maintained them for decades. I have killed every JWP I owned, except this one. As much as I like them, I’m not willing to gamble on another.
That’s a shame, Brian. I have about a dozen here in NE Georgia. I do have a higher elevation than you, so that could make a difference.
One thing I have noticed, the trees that are blue when purchased turn more green in my care. Some still stay “blue-ish”, but some have changed completely green. I don’t know if it’s the water, the climate, what I do (or don’t) fertilize with or what. The Kokonoe that struggled at Boon’s and stayed a very stress pale green/yellow has lush dark green foliage here.
So, back when I first started teaching at Plant City, I used to advocate avoiding JWP, in favor of JBP. But now, I heartedly recommend JWP to people living up here north of Atlanta.
One thing I think has helped a lot is the dryer soil mix. I also advocate using Boon Mix for all trees, especially pines. Whereas in the past, people used a mix based upon pine bark. I think the bark based mixes kept the soil too wet for pines. My personal soil mix is Clay King with additional pumice added in (25%).
thumblessprimate1
Masterpiece
I know the nebari sucks, but I like the twists on this pomegranate. I was actually shopping for shohin size stock, but this is what I find.
Hack Yeah!
Omono
I bought this maple at a landscape nursery today for 300. I think it's possibly mislabeled but I do not care as it's Fn awesome.
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
It has a nice trunk and doesn't look like it is grafted. I'm not familiar with that variety so can't say how well it will bonsai but it looks like a good buy
Hack Yeah!
Omono
OH, it's gonna bonsai! Any graft above grade isn't obvious, so that's good. I'll bareroot it this winter and see what I've got to do there. I've got lots of trees with nebari and now a few with tops. Maybe a whole tree within the next few years, who knows.
misfit11
Omono
It's amazing what inflation and post-pandemic bonsai interest has done to $300 material in six years. At the beginning of this thread, people were showing some very fine material purchased at the $300 level in 2018. While some of these may have been screaming deals, now you would be paying at least $1k for them (at least here in CA). When I would go to the Mammoth Auction at Lake Merritt 10 years ago, $1000 was usually the upper end. Now, the same quality trees easily go for more than three times that. Some of this is just simple inflation, but I feel like a lot of it is the increasing interest in the hobby. I think Covid was a real game changer for bonsai in the U.S.
ZombieNick
Shohin
I was going to post something similar, it is kind of wild seeing the difference in prices from the start of this thread and what I see today.
Hack Yeah!
Omono
Obviously prices have skyrocketed recently. To be fair, we know Smoke and Adair would've gotten inside pricing on anything they purchase. Our club auction was last week and I was certainly surprised by some of the winning bids, double what I guessed usually.
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