Recovery & Mental Nuts

ShadyStump said:
So say it again better this time.
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There isn't a'better' - I was trying to say how I hate when the media reports on something bad, and the first objective is to 'find the mental illness.'
I have a feeling this kid just had the wrong thing said to him at an impressionable age (the comment 'You can't join, your'e a bad shot' ) and he just stewed for two years over that thinking how to prove it wrong.
But the 'let's look into the mental history' all the time suggests there is always a correlation, but there is often not.
It's not an EQUATION.-
There are plenty of people who are not a threat to themselves or others, they don't need to called out as the 'type' of person who would do a bad thing.
How would you word that without sounding like a rant Shady?
 
Here is a reword:

Media representations of mental illness can have a significant impact on perceptions and stigma. Some say that media can promote negative, inaccurate, or violent portrayals of mental illness, which can lead to impaired self-esteem, delayed help-seeking, and difficulty adhering to medication.

Guess who wrote this? I think i'm maybe gonna have to like that dude!
 
nuttiest said:
There isn't a'better' - I was trying to say how I hate when the media reports on something bad, and the first objective is to 'find the mental illness.'
I have a feeling this kid just had the wrong thing said to him at an impressionable age (the comment 'You can't join, your'e a bad shot' ) and he just stewed for two years over that thinking how to prove it wrong.
But the 'let's look into the mental history' all the time suggests there is always a correlation, but there is often not.
It's not an EQUATION.-
There are plenty of people who are not a threat to themselves or others, they don't need to called out as the 'type' of person who would do a bad thing.
How would you word that without sounding like a rant Shady?
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You could just drop it, and rant away.

You're not wrong. Someone does something stupid and suddenly everyone goes looking for a diagnosis; some big word that make them an "other" so we can all pretend that WE are not capable of horrible things, only the "others" are.
I hate to sound like "that guy" but this is exactly where the stigma surrounding mental health comes from. Half the people out there that need help - mostly just in the form of someone to count on - refuse to admit, even to themselves, that they do because they're afraid no one will take them seriously if they're crazy. The other half, unfortunately, don't know they're crazy, or won't accept it for the same reason, and that's the dangerous half.

I will give people credit for this side of it, though: jumping to conclusions and calling it a mental illness is a step forward from when everything was simply declared good or bad. It shows that society is slowly becoming more aware and more understanding.
Unfortunately, that means we're just caught in the phase right now where no one knows the difference between a monster and a madman. Also unfortunate is that the only people who do truly know the difference are the madmen.

That's why us lunatics gotta stick together.😜
 
ShadyStump said:
jumping to conclusions and calling it a mental illness is a step forward from when everything was simply declared good or bad.
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Haha. I went to a southern Baptist church once, things like a flat tire on the church tour bus were automatically Satan, and God's savior came in the form of whoever worked tripleA at the time. :)
 
nuttiest said:
Haha. I went to a southern Baptist church once, things like a flat tire on the church tour bus were automatically Satan, and God's savior came in the form of whoever worked tripleA at the time. :)
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Hey, just because you can explain the miracle doesn't make it less miraculous.

Except, maybe, when you arranged the miracle yourself. That's arguably
 
PerryB said:
I grew up Southern Baptist, now think that ALL religion is gaslighting.
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Unless you grew up Mormon, then it's just keeping up with the Joneses.

Aaaanyways, this is a rabbit trail not appreciated by all who frequent the thread. Many folks get a great deal of support and comfort from their beliefs, and we're all better not running them off.
 
I’ve been getting into comparative religion studies, and have found it quite interesting; I think most issues with religion are rooted in dogma, being told what to believe, and communal pressure to be a certain way. When those things are absent, religion is quite beautiful.
 
ShadyStump said:
So I sometimes download and print pictures off the internet to color, and I've never been able to find anything detailed but realistic that's anything to do with trees, much less bonsai. At least nothing really suitable for coloring pages.

Anyone come across anything like this that's not abstract or hyper stylized? I have the same problem with anything mechanical; the parts never actually line up like they should, so it's all cognitive dissonance and not relaxing at all. I need the coloring pages made by engineers and botanists or else my brain breaks.🤪
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What about this? You can download photos and they turn them into coloring pages?

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Confucius said Man who leaves shovel in swamp water to fondle tree roots will remember such shovel after he returns to his truck and takes his waders off.
 
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pandacular said:
I’ve been getting into comparative religion studies, and have found it quite interesting; I think most issues with religion are rooted in dogma, being told what to believe, and communal pressure to be a certain way. When those things are absent, religion is quite beautiful.
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That's part of our secondary education here. All students in high school get classes in "the way of the lifeviews" and in theory it should be neutral towards any and all religions.

This is probably why most of the country identifies as non-religious. We keep the good stuff and ditch the bad stuff.
 
Religion for myself . Is almost a non concern visa mental health . I’m of polish heritage . My family has been in Canada since 1840.s . I can actually trace my heritage to one of the first families to emigrate here . All 4 of my grandparents are of polish decent . Considering Poland has one of the highest percentages of Roman Catholic population . I was raised in a fairly heavily religious family . Went to a catholic school system . Was a alter boy . But in the words of my mother it just did not stick . 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️😎😎, My largest disbelief 🫢 is not me personally beliefs . But the amount of people that claim to be religious. And then live there lives . In disregard of the beliefs . In general all major religions . Have rules or beliefs that are good ways to live your life . As a very good person . Yet history is full of wars and hatred . That are blamed on the religion . At the end of the day more people should spend time justifying there actions to the person in the mirror
 
Frozentreehugger said:
more people should spend time justifying there actions to the person in the mirror
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And how do you think they do it?

I don't generally get into the religion debate, but I'm reminded of the story about Magellan being imprisoned by "The Church" for proving the Earth wasn't the center of the universe. It's a lie.

In reality, the Catholic Church has been a patron of science since the beginning. Hell, the big bang theory was developed by a Jesuit priest. Magellan's imprisonment was the responsibility of one local bishop who Magellan had publicly accused of corruption and the aristocrats he was in league with. The heliocentrism thing was just the lame excuse that was used, and everyone knew it.

Why is the story told this way then? It wasn't the Lutherans or the Calvinists or any of the sort that started it; they all were very well aware of the truth. It was the Anglecans, and we all know the POLITICS of their creation. And yet they sponsored Darwin's burial in Westminster Abbey BECAUSE of evolution.

The notion that science and religion are at odds is pure political propaganda, and the only people who believe otherwise are the ones who fell for it. There is room for God in all truths.
 
Dogma is useful but it has serious drawbacks. I'm a fan of Jonathan Haidt's take in the issue:


It seems that dogma is extremely important for establishing a society from a group of people, and then it falls away once that society is flourishing, and then that society collapses for a multitude of reasons, and then the cycle repeats.
 
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