Pom Pom San Jose Project

I completely agree...

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... on the other hand...

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... lots of great bonsai fuse the second trunk with the first branch.

I completely agree - see first two pics above.

On the other hand...

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There are some fine examples of twin trunks where the trunk calipers are only modestly different.

This. I'm not sure I have a philosophy of bonsai, but if I do, you just expressed it pretty well.

Agreed. Quite frankly, my main challenge is keeping it alive and healthy. My second challenge is successful air-layers. Everything after that is bonus.

Steve
 

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Sorceress said one of the old people confessed to drowning some cats earlier in life. She felt bad about it. Probly way before animal cruelty even existed.

Sorce
 
Longer term, hell yeah.

@Forsoothe! I had it in mind to free pot whoever answer "trees be with you" correctly, and you nailed it so....we'll have to work that out!

Sorce
Great! And I will reciprocate with a rooted cutting you don't have!
 
I like your version of the first one better and the original of the second one better because I'm drawn to the uniqueness and the naturalness of it. I like that it bends the rules and at least to my eye gets away with it.

The first one is shaped and styled in a very "bonsai" way so that may be why I like it better following more traditional bonsai design guidelines. The pine is shaped more naturally, more "in the wild" and I think that may be why my presuppositions allow me to like the original version better - it fits what my brain says happens in the wild. However, I might like it best about halfway in between the original and your re-imagining of it, just enough so the two trunks aren't so close to the same height and so the bottom of the two crowns aren't so in line with each other.

I think that makes you 3/4 right - Sorce owes you a pot! Pay the man @sorce 😁

Steve
 
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Um, okay. I thought it was a stimulating conversation and I found it pleasurable. Thanks for having it with me and I'm sorry it made you sad.

Was 100% agreement with you the only way I could have helped you enjoy the conversation?
 
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Curious about location of missing cats, unconcerned about missing children, hmmmm.
Exactly correct, I think it’s fairly acceptable to joke about missing cats, not sure I’d want to associate with someone who joked about missing children, would you?
 
Exactly correct, I think it’s fairly acceptable to joke about missing cats, not sure I’d want to associate with someone who joked about missing children, would you?
Guilt trip, anyone?
 
@doctorater

I see youre fairly new to the forum and to bonsai.
Welcome to the hobby and to the forum.

You probably arent going to like what I have to tell you about this tree, but I happen to agree with @Forsoothe! that this tree is not great material and probably not worth the time and effort to try and get something decent out of it.
I however will try to be more diplomatic than his first post and try to explain why its not great material and that while it could provide a great learning opportunity, it wont make a good bonsai.

I have walked past by 100s of these in my travels around tree nurseries looking for material and when I was new to the hobby was very tempted to buy them just as you did.

The biggest problem with these is the octopus configuration, trunks going out at all directions so left as is, its just a topiary, and cant make a convincing bonsai at all.
fI think that you have also come to that conclusion.

The second problem is that they mostly have rather straight trunks with all the foliage quite a distance away from the roots and as somone said, they dont seem to back bud at all.
Lastly the angle that each trunk comes off the root base is too extreme to make even a convincing informal upright and they dont bend so a cascade is out of the question as well.

I honestly dont know how easily San Jose air layer as I have never tried it myself but if you want to experiment, you could give it a try.
That said, lets assume that they do air layer well and look at each branch to discuss how if each one might be worth air layering.

Trunk 1
Has a little bit of movement from the angle pictured, but the branching above leaves a lot to be desired. There is a very large thick branch up near the top which would have to eventually be dealt with. Possible candidate.

Trunk 2
Very straight near the bottom with a bit of reverse taper wehre the branches start. Could try to do the air layer about halfway up the straight portion to make a better possible candidate.

Trunk 3
Very straight in the middle of the branch, reverse taper below. Lots of branches but the straight section would make it kinda meh.

Trunk 4
Very little taper throughout the branch. Interesting movement halfway. Might try the air layer just bleow the first branch. Area below the first branch very straight and not interesting at all so not worth keeping.

Trunk 5
IMO this is the best branch. It has nice movement near the bottom, relatively low branches. I would try this air layer where the edge of the pot is if you can.

Trunk 6
Also not a bad trunk except for the reverse taper where the branches start. I would air layer this about 3-4 inches below the branches.

Your proposed 2 trunk with #1 and #2
This configuration creates a 'Y' and would not be a very compelling 2 trunk. If you cant bend them to try and reduce that effect, its probably not worht it.
We usually try to avoid trees and branch configurations that form a 'Y' because they just dont look good at all.

IMO the best trunks in order are 5, 6, 1, 4 IF the tree can be air layered.

My advice is to try doing air layers on the less desirable trunks first (2, 3) to see if it will work.
You will learn something along the way.
Any way you go, this is a long term project to get anything decent. Whether its worth it or not, I dont know. For me it wouldnt be.
Dont get too invested in the tree because the chances of getting a decent tree out of this is slim.
Work on trying to find better material that has a better chance of developing into something nice.
Good luck
Still, don’t let it prevent you from practicing and enjoying yourself along the way.
 
Back to trees. There's a forest in there...
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I'm looking for the forest, but I can't see it cause those trees are in the way! (Har har.) Great mockup! That's fun to see, thanks for doing that Forsoothe!

Why did you plant them in a twice-baked potato of all things? I didn't think you liked potatoes.
 
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Um, okay. I thought it was a stimulating conversation and I found it pleasurable. Thanks for having it with me and I'm sorry it made you sad.

Was 100% agreement with you the only way I could have helped you enjoy the conversation?

@bonsainut did you delete your last post? If so feel free to delete my response to it and this one as well if you like.

Thanks,
Steve
 
I'm looking for the forest, but I can't see it cause those trees are in the way! (Har har.) Great mockup! That's fun to see, thanks for doing that Forsoothe!

Why did you plant them in a twice-baked potato of all things? I didn't think you liked potatoes.
Watch your mouth! That happens to be in a twice-recombobulated Walter Pall rock. You should be so lucky to have such in reality...
 
His tag is caps and spaced. But I think you may be thinking of a different thread? Or they deleted when he locked himself out!😂

Sorce

No, absolutely this thread. Bonsai Nut made multiple, substantive posts in this thread including some really nice virts revisualizing a couple of the example pics I posted above, they are all gone, or at least I can no longer see them. Can you still see them? If so, is it possible he put me on ignore?
 
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